Re: Owen Jones still wants you to #standwithukraine Archived Message
Posted by Ian M on February 26, 2023, 1:45 am, in reply to "Owen Jones still wants you to #standwithukraine"
A search of Jones' twitter turns up these gems: ***** https://twitter.com/search?q=ukraine%20(from%3AOwenJones84)&src=typed_query&f=live Feb 13 Replying to @JoshuaVirasami Sure, happy to! But given Putin's war aims include the permanent subjugation of Ukraine, I don't think it's possible to have a lasting peaceful settlement on terms acceptable to the invaded party unless the balance of military forces is in its favour. Feb 10 Replying to @gf1874 The Palestinians, for a start, have the right to resist under international law. What we're discussing in Ukraine is an imperfect democratic state suffering a full-scale invasion from its neighbour, and it would be truly unhinged not to support Ukrainian's right to resist that Feb 9 Replying to @DanWei55 What examples are you giving here? A country has been invaded against its will by its neighbour. None of us support direct Western military involvement. The question is do you support arming Ukraine so it can defend itself. So what are you referring to? Feb 9 Replying to @DanWei55 I just think this is so obviously naive about the nature of this conflict? Putin invaded Ukraine to permanently subjugate it. No leftist should accept that outcome. Why would he accept a different outcome unless the balance of forces compelled him to do so? Feb 6 Replying to @OOSIAmateur I think something can horrific without being genocide. Russia is waging a criminal and barbaric war, Ukraine is waging a war of liberation, and if you don’t think that’s enough I don’t know what to tell you! ***** And watch how he responds to this guy who calls out his & McDonnell's BS: ***** https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1623691092213342214 Joseph Attard @josephattard02 Nauseating to watch ‘left’ Labour MPs like John McDonnell and Nadia Whittome lining up with the warmongering Tories, Blairites and British ruling class over Ukraine. Owen Jones @OwenJones84 Ukraine is fighting a just, defensive war of liberation against a murderous invasion launched by a kleptocratic, chauvinist, far right autocracy. There’s nothing left wing about allowing nations to be conquered and subjugated by oppressors. Joseph Attard @josephattard02 There's nothing left-wing about lining up one's own ruling class (who are in turn doing the bidding of US imperialism) in helping to escalate a proxy war with 'defensive' weapons (including tanks apparently?!) that imperils Ukraine AND the rest of the world. Owen Jones @OwenJones84 Joseph, would you honestly campaign for Western states to stop supplying Ukraine with weapons, and if so, what do you think would happen to Ukraine. Don’t piss around with your answer, give the honest one Joseph Attard @josephattard02 Owen, socialists should support the independent action of the working class in every country to oppose their respective warmongers. Ukraine would of course be defeated in a war NATO helped provoke and is now dragging out for the US’s geopolitical purposes. Owen Jones @OwenJones84 Incredible. So your position is a country of 41 million should be brutally occupied and conquered against its will by a murderous tyranny. An entire people tossed on the scrapheap and you’d chalk that up as some sort of step forward for human liberation ***** I think that wins strawman of the year, no? jeers, I
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