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    Cuban "crisis"?From what year on could nuke-armed US/Russian subs have wiped us all out anyway from Archived Message

    Posted by Jim_Carlucci on April 13, 2023, 3:17 pm

    Cuban "crisis"? From what year on could nuke-armed US/Russian subs have wiped us all out anyway from anywhere, anytime?

    1960-1962: What were America's/Russia's SLBM submarines capable of destroying - unseen - from anywhere anytime and anyway - without the need for nuke misile land bases and theatrical, high-drama symbolic crises over highly or relatively visible land-based nukes ?

    And how detectable and monitorable were/are these nuke-armed SLBM submarines in 1960-1962 and now?

    Overview retrospective:
    Russian v American submarine planet-destroying SLBM / SSBN capability before and after the 1962 Turkey-Italy-Cuba crisis. (Courtesy wicked Wikipedia - link below):

    "The world's first operational nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine (SSBN) was USS George Washington (SSBN-598) with 16 Polaris A-1 missiles, which entered service in December 1959 and conducted the first SSBN deterrent patrol November 1960 – January 1961. George Washington also conducted the first successful submerged SLBM launch with a Polaris A-1 on 20 July 1960.

    Fifty-two days later, the Soviet Union made its first successful underwater launch of a submarine ballistic missile in the White Sea, on 10 September 1960 from the same converted Project 611 (NATO reporting name Zulu-IV class) submarine that first launched the R-11FM.The Soviets were only a year behind the US with their first SSBN, the ill-fated K-19 of Project 658 (Hotel class), commissioned in November 1960.

    However, the Hotel class carried only three R-13 missiles (NATO reporting name SS-N-4) each and had to surface and raise the missile to launch. Submerged launch was not an operational capability for the Soviets until 1963, when the R-21 missile (SS-N-5) was first backfitted to Project 658 (Hotel class) and Project 629 (Golf class) submarines."

    The Soviet Union was able to beat the U.S. in launching and testing the first SLBM with a live nuclear warhead, an R-13 that detonated in the Novaya Zemlya Test Range in the Arctic Ocean, doing so on 20 October 1961.

    A submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM) is a ballistic missile capable of being launched from submarines. Modern variants usually deliver multiple independently targetable reentry vehicles (MIRVs), each of which carries a nuclear warhead and allows a single launched missile to strike several targets. Submarine-launched ballistic missiles operate in a different way from submarine-launched cruise missiles.

    Modern submarine-launched ballistic missiles are closely related to intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs), with ranges of over 5,500 kilometres (3,000 nmi), and in many cases SLBMs and ICBMs may be part of the same family of weapons."

    Origins:

    "The first practical design of a submarine-based launch platform was developed by the Germans near the end of World War II involving a launch tube which contained a V-2 ballistic missile variant and was towed behind a submarine, known by the code-name Prüfstand XII.
    "The war ended before it could be tested, but the (German) engineers who had worked on it were taken to work for the United States (Operation Paperclip) and for the Soviet Union on their SLBM programs. These and other early SLBM systems required vessels to be surfaced when they fired missiles, but launch systems eventually were adapted to allow underwater launching in the 1950-1960s. A converted Project 611 (Zulu-IV class) submarine launched the world's first SLBM, an R-11FM (SS-N-1 Scud-A, naval variant of the SS-1 Scud) on 16 September 1955.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine-launched_ballistic_missile

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    • Cuban "crisis"?From what year on could nuke-armed US/Russian subs have wiped us all out anyway from - Jim_Carlucci April 13, 2023, 3:17 pm