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    Posted by dan on June 2, 2023, 11:16 pm, in reply to "For dan"

    Not much point in arguing with those that already know what they know. I might have listened to the contrarian opinion if I hadnt got the evidence of my own eyes.

    Covid wasn't rebranded flu and anyone who thinks that is massively credulous, chooses their sources to confirm what they already know and, isn't going to accept anything I have to say.

    I've worked in ICU through 20 flu seasons and have never had to open a new icu on an empty ward to preserve capacity. The worst I could remember as a reference was 2009 - which was an outlier, and even then a non event - maybe 3 or 4 young people at the same time on the ward had influenza pneumonitis.

    At the peak of 2021 there were so many people with lung failure due to sars-cov-2 we opened a new 15 bedded icu every 2-3 days over a 3 week period until there were 10 empty wards converted into new ICUs. Surgical and cardiology consultants were being used as nursing healthcare assistants to turn patients because we slipped from one nurse for every patient to one nurse to 4 patients. No elective and most emergency surgery was impossible because all staff were drafted into the new ICUs

    Very few people who were admitted to icu were elderly - the outcomes for those patients were uniformly terrible and beds were full of younger patients - especially patients from ethnic minority communities and the most deprived in society for whom deaths were 2-3 times higher.

    Because the infection fatality ratio rose exponentially with age it is very possible to have an average age of death of 82 and yet also to have very high mortality in younger people. The chances were not miniscule in 50 and 60 year olds. A 1% infection related mortality in 60 year olds for a virus with such a high transmissability means that 1 in 100 60 year olds (and 1 in 20 70 year olds) in a population in the same year will die and about 10 times that need hospital, overwhelming hospital services. The figures 1.5-2 times higher in men. A disease that kills 1 in 50 60 Yr old men is not a rebranding.

    At peak we were using 7 times as much oxygen as we normally do in peak winter months and that's with all operating theatres closed, all elective care stopped and all wards full of patients with covid respiratory failure.

    I work in East London which has a large proportion of patients from poor and non white backgrounds so no doubt we had the worst of it but still there's not been anything like it for decades and anyone wheeling out stats that say otherwise is just a victim of selection bias.

    I said very early that there was no such thing as herd immunity for covid - we know that corona viruses circulate round schools for instance and by the time it's gone from year 1 to year 6 and back again everybody in year 1 will get the virus again.
    That meant that until there was a vaccine any covid infection was a trial by ordeal. You got the infection, you lived or died according to your demographic, and co morbid health risk and if you survived, the next time it came around you would probably be OK. The vaccine meant you could take that first hit without the high risk of death and even 0.1% in 40 year olds seems like an unacceptably high risk for me. 1 or 2 parents per school for every average sized school.

    Vaccine side effects probably arrive through the same mechanism as the virus which cause the same thing - but a vaccination leads to very many fewer mrna replicates than the infection. Myocarditis for instance much lower incidence in vaccinated last time I looked. The only way we'll know is eventually looking at differences in outcome between vaccinated and unvaccinated in large populations, in US for instance.

    Covid is over now for us. Everybody has had it the first time or been vaccinated and then had the infection and we don't see covid pneumonitis currently.

    Cost of lockdown crisis - getting out of one comfort zone and into another? Weird it's so much worse in uk than all the other places that also locked down. In the UK there is a cost of greed crisis. We live in a totally corrupt kleptocracy. There's no need to invent some vast fake virus conspiracy.

    Who benefits from blaming poverty on the virus response, other than the thieves who are even as I type robbing us, and robbing us, and robbing us? The post office is being wound up by venture capitalists who want to put posties on zero hours contracts. F÷#×#*g c#@t5 and not a virus in sight. This theft is everywhere, in plain sight.

    I've come to firmly believe covid denial is an overblown diversion which is being promoted by grifters and also I think a psyop. If you are tying people up in knots in arguments about faked statistics you sure ain't pointing the finger at capitalists and saying that's where all the money is going.

    It's capitalists who are the enemy. Of course pharma are part of that but they didn't invent covid. They just made an obscene amount of money out of it.

    Smashing the system doesn't require proving that viruses don't cause disease, or that pcr can't be used to make diagnoses, or that vaccines don't prevent infection. Any efforts along those lines are a waste of time.

    Happy to respond here and now Scrabb, I esteem your contribution on this board and the previous one over many years. I'm not going to get into a debate by proxy though, for the reasons above.

    Cheers,
    dan

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