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    Re: Sorry - but your applauded Henry Hill destroys his credibility stone-dead with Putin/Russia Hate Archived Message

    Posted by Ken Waldron on June 7, 2023, 4:35 am, in reply to "Sorry - but your applauded Henry Hill destroys his credibility stone-dead with Putin/Russia Hate "

    You trust his judgement despite the Russia Hate and anti-Putin BS, do you ?!

    The quote is from an article in which Hill criticises Starmer for telling porkies about banning North Sea oil extraction and the Brave New Green world he will build. If you can bear one Tory criticising another Tory for being an outright liar, its here:

    "You can’t just stop oil, Sir Keir"
    https://capx.co/you-cant-just-stop-oil-sir-keir/

    And yes. Whatever his Tory allegiances and views on Putin and Russia (doubtless no different from Starmers)...in much the same way as Tucker Carlson can be right about the Russia Ukraine war but facistically unpleasantly wrong about near everything else, Hill is correct.

    He finishes his piece:

    "...that golden day is not going to be brought any closer by ministerial ukase, no matter how well-intentioned each might be. Starmer would do better, like the wise King Canute to his fawning courtiers, to tell his party and the country that."

    Which summerises his main point and one that has been highlighted on this board before now.
    "Just Stop Oil" is a JM Barrie moment. The bit where Peter Pan tells Wendy: "...Just think of happy things, and your heart will fly on wings, forever, in Never Never Land!"

    And "Ministerial ukase" is that in modern "action". For our politicians like Peter Pan have taken to believe in their comforting hubris that something can just magically "happen" merely because it has been decreed by them. That "he/she wills it" ... makes it so...but what will actually take place if for example we don't extract North Sea oil is that a source will be found for that oil elsewhere.

    You cannot kill the demand for oil by merely banning the most local source because the whole of this and every society is built on fossil fuels. Its integral to society. Until you have alternatives "Just Stop Oil" as an imminent aim is in fact espousing mass starvation and hypothermia. With Starmer, he's just lying to people: after all with his track record he's simply doing what he is good at.

    On your own "Green New World" which espouses electric cars as part of the solution, as Vaclas Smil points out:

    ..."highly energy-intensive material dependencies are emerging and electric cars are their best example. A typical lithium car battery weighing about 450 kilograms contains about 11 kilograms of lithium, nearly 14 kilograms of cobalt, 27 kilograms of nickel, more than 40 kilograms of copper, and 50 kilograms of graphite—as well as about 181 kilograms of steel, aluminum, and plastics. Supplying these materials for a single vehicle requires processing about 40 tons of ores, and given the low concentration of many elements in their ores it necessitates extracting and processing about 225 tons of raw materials. And aggressive electrification of road transport would soon require multiplying these needs by tens of millions of units per year."



    Think about it: the mining, processing, refining, manufacturing and assembly of e-cars requires fossil fuels at every stage of the game. No coal and oil = no e-cars simply because we have no economic available alternatives to fossil fuels for the processes required.
    As Smil further points out in his book "HOW THE WORLD REALLY WORKS" the same is true for the main items we utilise: what he calls the "four pillars of modern civilization", cement, steel, plastics, and the ammonia for fertilisers that keep billions of people fed.

    -A great number crunch and an informative read but of course you might not want to read that either as he highlights the serious obstacles in the journey to that green new world and there's no fairy dust involved to just "make it so"...but here's the clincher: evil Bill Gates thought it was good.

    https://www.wob.com/en-gb/books/vaclav-smil/how-the-world-really-works/9780241989678?

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