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Jimmy Dore: Glenn Greenwald Interview

Posted by sashimi <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=sashimi' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 21, 2020, 9:52 am

Why do they call people leftists

Posted by Keith-264 <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Keith-264' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 21, 2020, 2:55 pm, in reply to "Jimmy Dore: Glenn Greenwald Interview"

when they behave right, same as Peter Lavelle?

Clio the cat, ? July 1997 - 1 May 2016
Kira the cat, ? ? 2010 - 3 August 2018

US centric obviously ...

Posted by Tomski <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=TomskiD' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 21, 2020, 2:58 pm, in reply to "Why do they call people leftists"

C'mon K264, you *know*. Why bother asking?

Re: Jimmy Dore: Glenn Greenwald Interview

Posted by Tomski <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=TomskiD' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 21, 2020, 2:56 pm, in reply to "Jimmy Dore: Glenn Greenwald Interview"

It helps to see GG laying out the reasoning behind staying with the Intercept for so long. It was pi**ing me off at the time with them sitting on the Snowden files and the output turning increasingly into biased Dem prop, which was a complete sham (as we could see from the first vid).

I still have a smidgeon of mistrust for GG as he claims that it wasn't Omidyar that was driving their biases i.e. it was the editor

.

Presumably he will tone down his investigations into Bolsonaro's sh*t show because he cannot afford the security. Who knows. We wait

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Thanks Sash ...

Re: Jimmy Dore: Glenn Greenwald Interview

Posted by Keith-264 <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Keith-264' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 21, 2020, 3:30 pm, in reply to "Re: Jimmy Dore: Glenn Greenwald Interview"

I think that the point he made was subconscious, Omidyar didn't have to do a Digger, everyone else (almost) did it for him.

Clio the cat, ? July 1997 - 1 May 2016
Kira the cat, ? ? 2010 - 3 August 2018

Re: Jimmy Dore: Glenn Greenwald Interview

Posted by Tomski <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=TomskiD' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 21, 2020, 4:14 pm, in reply to "Re: Jimmy Dore: Glenn Greenwald Interview"

Perhaps. Subconscious as in Sinclair/Chomsky's paradox ... 'you wouldn't be sitting there' etc.

Re: Jimmy Dore: Glenn Greenwald Interview

Posted by Raskolnikov <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Raskolnikov' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 21, 2020, 4:02 pm, in reply to "Re: Jimmy Dore: Glenn Greenwald Interview"

Well the rest of the Snowden archive will never see the light of day now, not that it was ever likely. I also thought the part of the interview you metioned was defintely shaky. When he said (paraphrasing) "We brought Betsy (Ross) in as editor and she sort of said OK I'm in charge" to explain how it became such a shit show at T.I. was definitely not the full story and it was quite obvious.

I thought GG's interview was pretty good although Dore's attempts to equate his "work" with Greenwald's were a bit ridiculous and his minor rants in between Glenn's time stood in strong contrast, particularly the one where he ends up saying "I don't know what my question is but what do you say to that?". Great journalism.....

Re: Jimmy Dore: Glenn Greenwald Interview

Posted by Keith-264 <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Keith-264' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 21, 2020, 5:38 pm, in reply to "Re: Jimmy Dore: Glenn Greenwald Interview"

It was always going to end in tears and he waited too long to leave. I think that's why he made so much of what it cost him in taking his snout out the trough. According to him, the others went on a spending frenzy, straight into debt bondage.

Clio the cat, ? July 1997 - 1 May 2016
Kira the cat, ? ? 2010 - 3 August 2018

Re: Jimmy Dore: Glenn Greenwald Interview

Posted by scrabb <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=scrabb' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 21, 2020, 6:25 pm, in reply to "Re: Jimmy Dore: Glenn Greenwald Interview"

I think you're confusing a couple of things, Ras. JD doesn't, and never has, pretended to be a journalist. He makes it quite explicit when he says (as he often does) "a stand-up comic like me from my garage can do a better job at pointing out stuff like (whatever he's on about) than so-called commentators and journalists."

It's JD's schtick that he's an ordinary joe with no special talents or knowledge and yet he can do a better job than 99% of the highly paid "professionals" -- and of course he can and does. He would never claim to be on GG's level as a journalist, and I've never heard him do so. Additionally of course he uses humour and satire and sarcasm to make his points whereas GG is not known for his sense of humour.

"The US is one of the leading terrorist states in the world" -- Noam Chomsky
The BBC is in the business of propaganda

"...whereas GG is not known for his sense of humour." WTF?!?!?!?!?

Posted by Morrissey <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Morrissey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 21, 2020, 8:48 pm, in reply to "Re: Jimmy Dore: Glenn Greenwald Interview"

Greenwald is a bright and witty commentator at all times. He laughs a lot, always sees the irony of whatever situation he is analysing, and he often elicits laughter from large audiences. Chomsky has a similar, though drier, wit.

Re: "...whereas GG is not known for his sense of humour." WTF?!?!?!?!?

Posted by margo <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=margo' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 21, 2020, 10:13 pm, in reply to ""...whereas GG is not known for his sense of humour." WTF?!?!?!?!?"

Michael Parenti

Re: "...whereas GG is not known for his sense of humour." WTF?!?!?!?!?

Posted by Tomski <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=TomskiD' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 21, 2020, 10:31 pm, in reply to "Re: "...whereas GG is not known for his sense of humour." WTF?!?!?!?!?"

Waddya mean Margo ... Parenti has wodges of humour ... a 'group of man sitting in a room ... '

Re: "...whereas GG is not known for his sense of humour." WTF?!?!?!?!?

Posted by Keith-264 <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Keith-264' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 22, 2020, 11:33 am, in reply to ""...whereas GG is not known for his sense of humour." WTF?!?!?!?!?"

I liked his enjoyment of the word "fcuck". ;O)

Clio the cat, ? July 1997 - 1 May 2016
Kira the cat, ? ? 2010 - 3 August 2018

Re: Jimmy Dore: Glenn Greenwald Interview

Posted by Raskolnikov <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Raskolnikov' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 22, 2020, 8:20 am, in reply to "Re: Jimmy Dore: Glenn Greenwald Interview"

I'm not confusing anything. He states several times, and in lots of his other segments, how he does better "work" than 99.99% of journalists. What work do journalists do? Journalism. Just because I used the word in my final barb doesn't mean he claims to be a journalist, but he makes a lot of statements where he does this via logical equivalence, just as he does in this video.

I'm sure he would never claim to be at the same level as GG, but there are a couple of times in the interview where he says something like "Nobody else covered this or did this work except us" (meaning him and GG) which again is doing it to a certain extent albeit in a backhanded way.

Also his "jag off nightclub comedian who smokes pot in the morning" thing is just his get out of jail free card for whenever anyone pulls him up on his facts; he can just shrug and go ahhh I'm not a journalist, just a jag off, etc. He wants to have his cake and eat it too.

I still agree with a lot of what he says (and his output does contain more truth than the msm and so he is correct to a certain extent) but there's a big streak of disingenuousness in his output. In the GG interview he said something like "I've been trying to start a third party" which is seriously exaggerating his efforts on that front, or at least as far as pushing it via his channel goes.

If he was actually trying to be an organiser he would have organisers as guests, all the time, or most of the time. His content would be focussed on thrashing out a manifesto, talking about local organisations where people can go and help, talking about people that are doing the same thing. He does this once in a blue moon and the rest of the time he's pandering to the alt right/libertarians/other by framing absolutely everything as "the dems suck" because it gets the most clicks and thus pays the most. It's interesting that this was the first time GG has been on his show in ages just at the time GG needs subscribers to his new venture and JD has been increasingly called out by progressives about his "work". Probably just a coincidence though.

Maybe now the Dems are in power he will spend the next four years concentrating on the opposition, like he has the last four....

Re: Jimmy Dore: Glenn Greenwald Interview

Posted by Raskolnikov <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Raskolnikov' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 22, 2020, 8:24 am, in reply to "Re: Jimmy Dore: Glenn Greenwald Interview"

Further to my "strange timing" comment in the above post along comes this:

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A segment critical of Trump! On TJDS! Astonishing. I might have to count back the months and see when the last one was. Just look at those dislikes piling up!

Re: Jimmy Dore: Glenn Greenwald Interview

Posted by Raskolnikov <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Raskolnikov' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 22, 2020, 8:47 am, in reply to "Re: Jimmy Dore: Glenn Greenwald Interview"

I needn't have worried; 90% of the segment was taken up with "Obama was worse/Trump isn't so bad".

True though....nm

Posted by Keith-264 <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Keith-264' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 22, 2020, 11:41 am, in reply to "Re: Jimmy Dore: Glenn Greenwald Interview"

Clio the cat, ? July 1997 - 1 May 2016
Kira the cat, ? ? 2010 - 3 August 2018

Re: True though....nm

As far as exposing the myth of Obama I agree and in and of itself it's a good "bit" but it must be the 240th time he's done it. This Trump action is happening NOW and surely deserves more attention than something that's in the past.

Re: Jimmy Dore: Glenn Greenwald Interview

Posted by brooks <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Brooks' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 22, 2020, 8:26 pm, in reply to "Re: Jimmy Dore: Glenn Greenwald Interview"

but there's a big streak of disingenuousness in his output.

Yes, and hypocrisy. He attacks Aaron Mate for writing for the Nation because they peddle Russiage, even though Mate is the leading debunker of Russiagate, including in the pages of the Nation. In fact in the very segment in which he attacks Mate, basically as a sell-out, and says he should go sell cars since there's "more dignity in it" he admits to doing the exact same thing at the Young Turks, where "...I stuck it out because I thought, well, once the Muller report comes out they’ll see." So according to Dore, when he himself "sticks it out" (while getting paid) at an organization that promotes establishment narratives, that's just fine, but when Mate does it, he's a hypocrite even though he's done way more work exposing the whole sham than Dore has.

As to Greenwald, I think the idea that the predictable (and predicted) demise of The Intercept has nothing to do with the ideology and class interest of the oligarch that funds it is ridiculous. He calls it a "conspiracy" in the Dore interview and claims Omidyar has nothing to do with anything related to its slide into another lame, establishment liberal journal. It's apparently just pure coincidence then that the purge of dissidents (Poitras, Taibbi, Brown and now Greenwald) mirrors the purge at every other oligarch-owned msm outlet in the western world. The idea that a class analysis and ownership is irrelevant and that it's all down to personalities and circumstances, e.g. Donald Trump, Betsy Reed's fear of media criticism, etc is typical mainstream whitewash, a liberal, pre-Herman/Chomskian analysis. It's almost as if Greenwald knows this at some level and tries to counteract the impression by his oh-so-edgy use of f*ck every third sentence.

That said, I still have huge respect for his journalism.

Re: Jimmy Dore: Glenn Greenwald Interview

Posted by brooks <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Brooks' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 22, 2020, 10:18 pm, in reply to "Re: Jimmy Dore: Glenn Greenwald Interview"

correction: he calls it a "conspiracy theory"

Another Jimmy Dore: Glenn Greenwald Interview vid

Posted by sashimi <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=sashimi' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 21, 2020, 7:18 pm, in reply to "Jimmy Dore: Glenn Greenwald Interview"

Re: Another Jimmy Dore: Glenn Greenwald Interview vid

Posted by Tomski <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=TomskiD' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 22, 2020, 12:01 am, in reply to "Another Jimmy Dore: Glenn Greenwald Interview vid"

Nice one. Thanks!

I get nervous seeing GG sitting behind an open ground floor window at night like that. Nm

Posted by Shyaku <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Shyaku' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 22, 2020, 8:29 am, in reply to "Jimmy Dore: Glenn Greenwald Interview"

Re: I get nervous seeing GG sitting behind an open ground floor window at night like that. Nm

Posted by scrabb <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=scrabb' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 22, 2020, 1:02 pm, in reply to "I get nervous seeing GG sitting behind an open ground floor window at night like that. Nm"

"The US is one of the leading terrorist states in the world" -- Noam Chomsky
The BBC is in the business of propaganda

Re: I get nervous seeing GG sitting behind an open ground floor window at night like that. Nm

Posted by Shyaku <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Shyaku' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on November 22, 2020, 9:04 pm, in reply to "Re: I get nervous seeing GG sitting behind an open ground floor window at night like that. Nm"

You think it was a zoom background? You're smarter than me :-) I hadn't twigged.

Best regards, Shyaku

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