Frei (Ch4 n LBC) had tried to stack the debate on his Saturday LBC am phone-in programme by phrasing it "What can we do about Putin? What can we do about Russia?" and going on about "so-called" Russian peacekeepers coming into Kazakhstan. And then he interviews 2 people who agree with him that Russia is the problem - one from the Kazakhstan opposition based outside the country.
But his listeners were not taken in - numerous people rang in to say, basically, the problem is NATO not Russia. They talked about missiles in Cuba, Nato expansionism, US invasions slaughtering millions, how Russia has no intention of invading Ukraine ...
Tobias Ellwood MP, chair of the Defence Committee, says we need a bigger navy. He just so happens to be a lieutenant-colonel reservist in the 77th Brigade: