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Human Rights Watch whitewashes Ukrainian war crimes in Donbass

Posted by pete-g <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=pete-g' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on March 29, 2023, 11:25 pm

Another courageous and important despatch from Eva Bartlett in the Donbass:

https://ingaza.wordpress.com/2023/03/29/human-rights-watch-deliberately-only-scratched-the-surface-in-exploring-ukraines-use-of-banned-petal-mines/

'Human Rights Watch is one of many Western-funded NGOs with a history of whitewashing NATO and its allies’ crimes while pretending to be a neutral observer.' Say no more.

..and OSCE just as absurd - still calling invasion unprovoked, unjustifiable,illegal etc

Posted by Jim_Carlucci <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Jim_Carlucci' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on March 30, 2023, 6:06 am, in reply to "Human Rights Watch whitewashes Ukrainian war crimes in Donbass"

So much for their credibility as on-the-ground independent "monitors".

Yep - OSCE just as absurd and obediently-selectively amnesia-afflicted as the rest of US-NATO's legions of apologists and facilitators - and still calling the invasion unprovoked, unjustifiable,illegal.

https://www.osce.org/ukraine-latest

https://www.osce.org/de/whatistheosce/factsheet

Only facts matter with OSCE, not their opinion after the fact

Posted by Chris Rogers <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Chris+Rogers' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on March 30, 2023, 9:05 am, in reply to "..and OSCE just as absurd - still calling invasion unprovoked, unjustifiable,illegal etc"

Jim,
It don't matter what opinion the OSCE pushes after the fact, namely Russia liberating ethnic Russians from neo-nazi aggression, what matters are the facts, them facts being breeches of the Minsk Accords by both sides of what in reality was a civil war. As the stats/facts throughout 2021 confirm, the overwhelming number of breeches of the Minsk Accords are attributed to Ukrainian forces/neo-nazis.

Yes, like many others, even Hedges and Chomsky, they accept the reality and then still call Russian actions illegal.

This is a conflict that should never had happened, that was straight forward to solve with diplomacy had both sides desired this - one side did not and that's the one that has used Ukraine for a proxy war - I won't condemn Russia for its actions as I'd be a hypocrite. Yes, I oppose war, i don't ignore reality either.

Re: Only facts matter with OSCE, not their opinion after the fact

Posted by Tomski <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=TomskiD' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on March 30, 2023, 10:48 am, in reply to "Only facts matter with OSCE, not their opinion after the fact"

From memory, I recall OSCE was relaying coordinates to Ukie arty and were caught red-handed by DNR/LNR and were subsequently thrown out just before 24th Feb. Utterly discredited. Tools of the Empire.

Don't recall this, but never dismiss anything

Posted by Chris Rogers <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Chris+Rogers' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on March 30, 2023, 12:14 pm, in reply to "Re: Only facts matter with OSCE, not their opinion after the fact"

Tomski,

All I'm aware of, of the OSCE is that it was biased, however, even as biased as they were their own data underscored that it was the Uki-nazis doing most of the killing, not Donbass Militias.

Re: Don't recall this, but never dismiss anything

Posted by Tomski <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=TomskiD' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on March 30, 2023, 1:03 pm, in reply to "Don't recall this, but never dismiss anything"

I agree Chris. OSCE couldn't disguise the uptick/surge of Ukie bombardment just before 24th Feb. On the record, so to speak. This surge was in the order of a magnitude (10X) in comparison to bombardment before.

At the mo I haven't time to dive into history of that incident. Again, from memory, DNR/LNR found a NATO laptop with data + (I think) comms relays. Consequently all western personnel, and part of the OSCE team, were booted out except for the RF OSCE personnel.

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