The New Victorians... ride again! Whilst Brand's behvior may, by today's fashions in the media, may have been... 'objectionable' and 'inappropriate', that's a long way from proving in court that his actions were illegal and criminal. The Times, BBC and Channel 4, are deliberately blurring these lines to publically put Brand on trial in the media court, with the ghastly, hypocritical, journalists, acting as the medieval mob.
There is no law that says that a man of thirty can't have sex with a girl who's sixteen. If that were the case thousands would be on trial every year. What is it, exactly, about sexual activity that turns the journalists on so much?
Re: Wow, the evilness of Russel Brand exposed by BBC in multiple articles today
"What is it, exactly, about sexual activity that turns the journalists on so much?"
-- It's not the sex. It's that Brand evolved into a humane and highly visible critic of capitalism who attracted a young audience and led them away from the mandated narratives. It's inevitable that he is being Assanged.
No-one is going to convince me that any media organisation -- be it the BBC, C4 or those newspapers -- really gives a shit about what predatory sexual liberties a star once took with vulnerable fans. Not after we saw that turd from, well, you know the paper, sail quietly away with a payoff and no reporting worth the name.
M.
My thought too: What did Brand do outside the bedroom that is such a threat? I thought his politics
Also... the allegation about 'rape' is extremely problematic, for a number of reasons. The accuser is in the United States and the event took place there several years ago. So, why does she bring it up now? Did she go to the police and lodge a complaint when the alleged attack happened? If not, why not?
Brand will have difficulty suing her for libel because she's in the US. Is he going to face extradition if he's charged? It's a legal minefield.
Then there's the entire question or syndrome of people, ordinary people, interacting, having relationships with very famous people. This imbalance can cut both ways. Life, alas, is rarely as simple as Cinderella. The 'prince' often dumps poor Cinder and marries a real princess. What a shame.
People often remember sexual encounters very differently. One person's casual sex, is another person's first step towards true love. People 'misremember' the past and interpret events and actions, that happened years ago, with how they see the world now, not how they saw it previously, and have a tendency to create a new narrative about past actions based on what they feel about them today, which complecates things enormously.
Brand is up against, what amounts to a cult of highly movtivated feminist journalists who despise the patriarchy and alpha males like Brand and want to destroy and topple both. Brand becomes a symbol of everything they hate about male behavior and inequalities between men and women.
Brand should be a shining example of how to overcome addictions. To go for him now is to convey the message that if the monkey was ever on your back, the mark of that monkey stays forever in the eyes of the state no matter how inspiring your growth or recovery.
Surely they fact that he was a tasteless exploiter (of a mileu if not a person), at a time of real nihilism generates no sympathy? I've been hearing a lot from these guys recently, quote; "The (JDF) is a non-partisan, non-religious 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization dedicated to empowering survivors of online sex trafficking, child sexual abuse material (“child pornography”), and criminal image-based sexual abuse to pursue justice through strategic litigation and advocacy support. We also advocate for the adoption of policies to prevent the online distribution of sexual crime.
Each leader at JDF has 15+ years of experience in the anti-trafficking field from backgrounds in public policy, criminal justice, mental health services, nonprofits, advocacy, and mass media. Their wealth of knowledge, experience, and extensive relationships in the field ensure excellence in the programs and services that JDF provides": https://justicedefensefund.org/
What does "consensual" mean to the people running "Pornhub" Mr.Brand? Is it out-of-sight out-of-mind? How can you be parasitic on a culture like this?
He may have changed, he may not be guilty, however, his "anything goes" attitude was part of an unholy zeitgeist we still partake of today. If it's not true he is at liberty to sue.
Re: Brand "Pornhub"?
Posted by Gerard on September 18, 2023, 12:35 pm, in reply to "Brand "Pornhub"?"
Posted by Keith-264 on September 18, 2023, 2:56 pm, in reply to "Brand "Pornhub"?"
Has he been charged with a crime?Clio the cat, ? July 1997 - 1 May 2016 Kira the cat, ? ? 2010 - 3 August 2018 Jasper the Ruffian cat ? ? ? - 4 November 2021
No...and Im not accusing him of one..., what I am saying is that his transformation into "conspiracy theorist" does not excuse either him or those who enabled him (esp. the BBC at the time), from fostering an exploitative attitude...."Pornhub" was considered a safe adult forum...much as Brand's was considered acceptable adult humour...neither ever were..why protect the guy? There are plenty of others out there who don't deserve the Me Too treatment..the man was an opportunist...that's the problem...it's important to ascertain which laissez-faire idiots gave him the opportunity..
Tell me something
Posted by Gerard on September 20, 2023, 8:53 am, in reply to "Toxic Laissez Faire.."
can you give an example of an occasion when he was "funny" without being vulgar and/or insulting? Let's face it in no wise is or was he a satirist.
Re: Tell me something
Posted by Keith-264 on September 20, 2023, 7:38 pm, in reply to "Tell me something"
He upstaged the tosseurs in HIGNFY quite well once.Clio the cat, ? July 1997 - 1 May 2016 Kira the cat, ? ? 2010 - 3 August 2018 Jasper the Ruffian cat ? ? ? - 4 November 2021
Re: Tell me something
Posted by Gerard on September 21, 2023, 11:19 am, in reply to "Re: Tell me something"
"HIGNFY"?
Have I got News for You....nm
Posted by Keith-264 on September 21, 2023, 5:03 pm, in reply to "Re: Tell me something"
nmClio the cat, ? July 1997 - 1 May 2016 Kira the cat, ? ? 2010 - 3 August 2018 Jasper the Ruffian cat ? ? ? - 4 November 2021
Re: My thought too: What did Brand do outside the bedroom that is such a threat? I thought his politics
The foreign secretary has said the entertainment industry has questions to answer, after revelations that the comedian Russell Brand has been accused of rape, sexual assault and emotional abuse.
James Cleverly became the most senior British politician to talk about the issue after the allegations about Brand’s behaviour were published by the Sunday Times and Channel 4’s Dispatches on Saturday night. Brand has strongly denied the allegations.
Several sources told the Sunday Times that the BBC had failed to act despite multiple complaints about Brand’s behaviour, including one incident in which he is alleged to have urinated into a bottle in a Radio 2 Studio.
String him up!
The two rape accusations are serious but they are at the moment just that; accusations, a long time after the fact. The more the media repeat any negative thing they can about him in great detail while providing a lot less detail about the actual alleged crimes, the less well it sits with me.
Judging from Twitter the usual response to "Why not report this at the time?" is to repeat the statistics for rape convictions as if to suggest the low rate of progression and conviction means there is no point going to the police and therefore anonymous/anonymised accusations via the media is an acceptable route. First talking about the event ten years later is certainly not a way to improve the chances of any criminal process.
The more they pile on with old incidents of bad, but not illegal, behaviour and nonsense like pissing in a bottle, the more it does feel like a coordinated attack rather than an attempt at a reckoning for lots of past crimes.
...no amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party...So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin.
Russell Brand has been accused of rape, sexual assault and emotional abuse over a seven-year period while he was at the height of his fame.
Four women have alleged sexual assaults between 2006 and 2013, while the comedian and actor also faces allegations of controlling, abusive and predatory behaviour after a joint investigation by the Sunday Times, the Times and Channel 4 Dispatches.
Brand strongly denies the allegations and in a video posted online on Friday said he had been “very very promiscuous” but all of his relationships had been “absolutely, always consensual”.
Here is a timeline of the allegations made against Brand: 2006
A woman claims Brand sexually assaulted her during a three-month relationship in 2006 when she was 16 and still at school, and Brand, then aged 30, was a BBC radio presenter and host of Big Brother’s Big Mouth.
She told the Sunday Times they had met when Brand approached her in Leicester Square after she had been shopping, and proceeded to go through her shopping bags and critique her purchases. She said he took out a dress and said: “You’re going to wear this on our date this week.”
She claims she told her mother, who advised her to text Brand and tell him her age, but that he was undeterred, and on the date asked her to confirm she was 16.
The woman said that over the following weeks, Brand referred to her as “the child” and she alleged that he was controlling, and sexually and emotionally abusive. She said he sent a car to her secondary school to take her out of lessons and asked her to save his name as “Carly” in her phone to deceive her parents. He also allegedly gave her “scripts” on how to lie to her parents, and advised her to hide the relationship from her friends, describing the experience as “isolating”.
The woman and a family member described Brand’s behaviour to the Sunday Times as grooming. 2007
Jordan Martin alleges Brand sexually assaulted her and was physically and emotionally abusive towards her during a six-month relationship from February 2007.
She claims he assaulted her at the Lowry hotel in Manchester when he became angry after finding out she had spoken to an ex-boyfriend, and ripped her phone case apart to pull out the battery, before touching her sexually. She said she was “not ready for this intrusion” and did not find it pleasant.
Martin made the allegations in a book published in 2014. She declined to be interviewed by the investigative reporters, but she told the Sunday Times she stood by her account. Brand denies all of the allegations made by the Sunday Times, but he has never challenged the content of the book. 2012
A woman alleges that Brand raped her against a wall at his Los Angeles home in July 2012 after she refused to join him in sexual activity with “a friend” of Brand. She alleges that she told Brand to get off her and that she wanted to leave, but he carried on and briefly blocked the door to prevent her from leaving afterwards.
She told the Sunday Times she was treated at a Rape Treatment Centre that same day, and had therapy treatment there for five months. Records seen by the Sunday Times show she contemplated criminal or civil proceedings but ultimately decided against it.
After the incident, Brand sent her text messages apologising for what happened and describing his behaviour as “crazy and selfish”. It happened the same month that Brand’s divorce from the singer Katy Perry was finalised. 2013
A woman who told the Sunday Times she had met Brand at an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting before they started working together claims he sexually assaulted her at his home in Los Angeles. She alleges he tried to kiss her and remove her clothes as he pinned her down, and she shouted at him to stop. “I was screaming: ‘What are you doing, stop, please, you’re my friend,’” she said.
She claims he eventually relented but he “flipped” and shouted at her, saying she was fired. She claims that years later she spoke to someone who had been working on a project with Brand and was outside the house at the time of the incident. He allegedly apologised for not helping her, and said: “I heard you screaming” and: “We were all so scared of him.”
Brand allegedly threatened the woman later with legal action if she told anyone about her allegation, and she said she never formally reported him because she feared it would affect her career. 2020
The woman who claims she was sexually assaulted by Brand during a three-month relationship when she was 16 contacted his literary agent at the time, who was also the co-founder of the talent agency Tavistock Wood. She said a lawyer representing Brand contacted her denying the allegations and claiming she was looking for money.
A statement given to the PA news agency by Tavistock Wood said: “Russell Brand categorically and vehemently denied the allegation made in 2020, but we now believe we were horribly misled by him. TW has terminated all professional ties to Brand.” 2023
On 16 September, a joint investigation by the Times, Sunday Times and Channel 4 Dispatches is published, detailing allegations made against Brand.
The night before publication, Brand denied the claims in a video posted online, stating that all of his relationships had been consensual, before accusing the media of a “coordinated attack”.
He said: “Amidst this litany of astonishing, rather baroque attacks are some very serious allegations that I absolutely refute.”...no amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party...So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin.
on September 17, 2023, 11:11 am