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Sharon Osbourne: Roger Waters "Belongs In An Old People's Home" For Alleged “Antisemitic Comments”

Posted by johnlilburne <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=johnlilburne' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 2, 2023, 2:10 pm

Re: Sharon Osbourne: Roger Waters "Belongs In An Old People's Home" For Alleged “Antisemitic Comments”

Posted by Adamski <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Adamski' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 2, 2023, 2:39 pm, in reply to "Sharon Osbourne: Roger Waters "Belongs In An Old People's Home" For Alleged “Antisemitic Comments”"

Thats was f@@king atrocious. And that bitch has the nerve to say she is also against israels policies regarding palestine? I wanted to be there and ask her - great comments sharon. And what about you ? Are you still relevant ? Whats the nursing home situation with you?

And to the other actors - are you all christian zionists? Whats you thoughts on palestine? The host was so lame here and annoying

Re: Sharon Osbourne: Roger Waters "Belongs In An Old People's Home" For Alleged “Antisemitic Comments”

Posted by Dovetail Joint <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Dovetail+Joint' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 2, 2023, 2:59 pm, in reply to "Re: Sharon Osbourne: Roger Waters "Belongs In An Old People's Home" For Alleged “Antisemitic Comments”"

It's depressing that more high-profile people, other artists, aren't coming out and supporting Waters, let alone journalists in the media examining the veracity of the claims made against him.

The jurnalists/pundits actually seem to like the idea of 'trial by the media' first, as in the ridiculous smears hurled at Russell Brand. Just cry 'rape' or 'antisemetism' and it's mob rule!

One doesn't actually have to prove anything, just establish a vague link between a person's views about the Israeli state's treament of the Palestinians, criticise that, and it's enough.

Re: Sharon Osbourne: Roger Waters "Belongs In An Old People's Home" For Alleged “Antisemitic Comments”

Posted by scrabb <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=scrabb' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 2, 2023, 3:51 pm, in reply to "Re: Sharon Osbourne: Roger Waters "Belongs In An Old People's Home" For Alleged “Antisemitic Comments”"

I'm in a bit of a dilemma with this. Jewish people who know and have worked with Waters -- his producer, the sax player -- have said he regularly brought up Jewish tropes and joked about them. If we take it they're being honest and telling he truth, why would he do that? Sharon Osborne, herself Jewish, also accuses him of being anti-semitic over a long period -- though I notice she didn't give any specific instances or examples of his behaviour to back up her story.

But here's my problem. As an avowed supporter of the Palestinians and outspoken opponent of Israel and its apartheid policies, wouldn't you think that Waters would be ultra-careful and cautious about saying anything that his enemies could seize upon to label him a Jew-hater? I mean, even making feeble jokes about Jews and doing impressions of elderly Jewish-Polish women (to a man some of whose family had died in the death camps) seems to me a very crass and insensitive thing to do. And knowing he's in the firing line from Zionist groups and the Israeli government, it seems as if he's positively inviting that condemnation. I mean, why go out of your way to make yourself an open target to such accusations? Why not let your artistic endeavours and public statements speak for you instead of making feeble jokes?

Unless, that is, none of these stories are true, in which case Waters should flatly deny them, which he hasn't.

Re: Sharon Osbourne: Roger Waters "Belongs In An Old People's Home" For Alleged “Antisemitic Comments”

Posted by Dovetail Joint <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Dovetail+Joint' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 2, 2023, 4:01 pm, in reply to "Re: Sharon Osbourne: Roger Waters "Belongs In An Old People's Home" For Alleged “Antisemitic Comments”"

It's all a bit lopsided. Jewish comics, there are quite a lot of them around, are allowed to make jokes about non-Jews and do so on a regular basis, as do many Jewish people and make jokes about Arabs.

But non-Jews aren't allowed to make jokes about Jewish people, even fictious ones, because that's wrong, forbidden and proof of anti-semetism! Who makes these rules and who decides what and what isn't anti-semetic?

One can't trust a word in this film. It's by the same tawdry crew who smeared the hapless Corbyn.

We, society, has to hold on to the clear definition of anti-semetism, that it's about openly calling for discrimation of Jewish people as a group.

Re: Sharon Osbourne: Roger Waters "Belongs In An Old People's Home" For Alleged “Antisemitic Comments”

Posted by scrabb <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=scrabb' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 2, 2023, 4:15 pm, in reply to "Re: Sharon Osbourne: Roger Waters "Belongs In An Old People's Home" For Alleged “Antisemitic Comments”"

All of which is true, DJ, while completely ignoring my point. Why would Waters bother cracking jokes about Jews when he knows it will be used as a stick to beat him with?

Unless all this happened 20/30 years ago and he never foresaw the kind of witch-hunt that it's turned into.

Re: Sharon Osbourne: Roger Waters "Belongs In An Old People's Home" For Alleged “Antisemitic Comments”

Posted by johnlilburne <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=johnlilburne' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 2, 2023, 4:47 pm, in reply to "Re: Sharon Osbourne: Roger Waters "Belongs In An Old People's Home" For Alleged “Antisemitic Comments”"

Unless all this happened 20/30 years ago and he never foresaw the kind of witch-hunt that it's turned into.

That seems to be pretty much the case. I think Waters has only been a serious advocate for Palestinian rights for the last 15-20 years.

Ezrin is listed as co-producer of The Wall back in 1979 (And has helped produce 3 post-Waters PF Albums - read into that what you will). The sax player was with Waters 2000-02.

So, on the face of it, the alleged remarks preceded the witch-hunt. Which only really took off when Corbyn became leader. Something Waters could not have predicted.

The weaponisation worked to get rid of Corbyn so why not continue it. In fact, if you don't continue it people might come to the conclusion it was a scam all along.

Re: Sharon Osbourne: Roger Waters "Belongs In An Old People's Home" For Alleged “Antisemitic Comments”

Posted by Dovetail Joint <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Dovetail+Joint' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 2, 2023, 5:46 pm, in reply to "Re: Sharon Osbourne: Roger Waters "Belongs In An Old People's Home" For Alleged “Antisemitic Comments”"

Well... back in the days of Punk, we held a 'Nazi Party' at Uni one stoned and drunken Saturday. I remember hearing the Sex Pistols number 'Belsen was a Gas', or was that a Sid Vicious solo number?

Anyway none of the young people there were Nazis. It was, I think, an attempt to ridicule the Nazis and take their most cherished symbols and dilute their power by surrounding them with sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll!

Today, in these puritanical, correct, times, we seem to be doing the opposite by making more and more words and symbols forbidden again and this alone makes them more powerful.

I went as an SS officer. At least the top half of my uniform was fantastic. Only I dropped the riding breeches and boots of shiny, shiny, leather, for a rather fetching ballerinas costume below.

Re: Sharon Osbourne: Roger Waters "Belongs In An Old People's Home" For Alleged “Antisemitic Comments”

Posted by johnlilburne <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=johnlilburne' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 2, 2023, 5:11 pm, in reply to "Re: Sharon Osbourne: Roger Waters "Belongs In An Old People's Home" For Alleged “Antisemitic Comments”"

I wish people would get real. We all have prejudices one way or another. It's a way we negotiate the world. Sometimes our prejudices are confirmed, sometimes not.

If we are basically decent people we are likely to recognise, reflect on and interrogate our prejudices to see if they are justified or not. That's how we learn and become better people. But nothing can be forced.

Who hasn't mimicked others, made bad jokes or 'iffy' remarks - at least in private? Does that make one a bigot, beyond the pale in today's identity politics obsessed culture?

I've no idea about whether Waters made the alleged remarks or not.

Does making remarks that someone construes as antisemitic make one antisemitic?

How many problematic fleeting remarks does one have to make to justify one acquiring a label, a fixed identity (an antisemite, eg, rather than someone who makes antisemitic remarks now and then)?

What right does anyone have to speculate on the core of someone elses being?

Re: Sharon Osbourne: Roger Waters "Belongs In An Old People's Home" For Alleged “Antisemitic Comments”

Posted by Ken Waldron <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Ken+Waldron' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 2, 2023, 5:21 pm, in reply to "Re: Sharon Osbourne: Roger Waters "Belongs In An Old People's Home" For Alleged “Antisemitic Comments”"

Maybe your right and Waters should pander to peoples "sensitivities" but in my view the whole "sensitivities" issue is a deliberate distraction from the murder of hundreds of Palestinians every year.

Whilst "faux outrage" fills the corporate media about a celeb Jewish joke another IDF bullet smashes its way through some poor Palestinian childs head in the name of Israel: no-one wants to discuss that "sensitivity" strangely enough.

You only have to do one thing to be torn apart as an "Antisemite" in the west: just say one word: "Palestinian" in any sentence with some concern in your voice: that's enough.

Re: Sharon Osbourne: Roger Waters "Belongs In An Old People's Home" For Alleged “Antisemitic Comments”

Posted by Ian M <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Ian+M' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 2, 2023, 5:49 pm, in reply to "Re: Sharon Osbourne: Roger Waters "Belongs In An Old People's Home" For Alleged “Antisemitic Comments”"

Scrabb said:

'wouldn't you think that Waters would be ultra-careful and cautious about saying anything that his enemies could seize upon to label him a Jew-hater?'

It would probably be advisable, but I think the wider point is the standard of complete perfection dissident figures are held to while others (eg: Boris Johnson and the Jews control the media trope in his book) get a free pass time & time again. You're not allowed to make a single mistake - they'll pick through your entire life, and if they find anything that even slightly sounds like a problematic statement, you're done. Nobody can manage that, and it's crass hypocrisy of the highest order for bloodthirsty media ghouls or apologists for apartheid & colonialism to get on their high horse about the morality of something somebody may or may not have said decades ago in order to destroy their reputation. They're not just responsible for maybe causing offense to a few people on a few occasions, but the destruction of entire countries and the murder, displacement, impoverishment and ethnic cleansing of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. And now they want to be able to act as moral policemen over every conversation we ever have? They can f* right off and continue doing so for the rest of their miserable lives.

jeers,
I

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Re: Sharon Osbourne: Roger Waters "Belongs In An Old People's Home" For Alleged “Antisemitic Comments”

Posted by Keith-264 <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Keith-264' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 2, 2023, 6:00 pm, in reply to "Re: Sharon Osbourne: Roger Waters "Belongs In An Old People's Home" For Alleged “Antisemitic Comments”"

You can make ironic remarks to take the piss out of the people who mean them.

Clio the cat, ? July 1997 - 1 May 2016
Kira the cat, ? ? 2010 - 3 August 2018
Jasper the Ruffian cat ? ? ? - 4 November 2021

Yes, but Israeli pollies say real full-on genocide inciting shite against Palestinians - and Nothing

Posted by marknadim <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=marknadim' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 2, 2023, 7:17 pm, in reply to "Re: Sharon Osbourne: Roger Waters "Belongs In An Old People's Home" For Alleged “Antisemitic Comments”"

not a measly report anywhere. Let alone a whole talkshow segment.

Re: Sharon Osbourne: Roger Waters "Belongs In An Old People's Home" For Alleged “Antisemitic Comments”

Posted by steve <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=steve' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 2, 2023, 6:25 pm, in reply to "Sharon Osbourne: Roger Waters "Belongs In An Old People's Home" For Alleged “Antisemitic Comments”"

Worth posting Waters' response in which he says:

"The offensive words I referenced in quotes in an email 13 years ago, were my brainstorming ideas on how to make the evils and horrors of fascism and extremism apparent and shocking to a generation that may not fully appreciate the ever-present threat."

https://rogerwaters.com/roger-waters-answers-the-campaign-against-antisemitism/

Re: Sharon Osbourne: Roger Waters "Belongs In An Old People's Home" For Alleged “Antisemitic Comments”

Posted by Dovetail Joint <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Dovetail+Joint' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 2, 2023, 7:15 pm, in reply to "Re: Sharon Osbourne: Roger Waters "Belongs In An Old People's Home" For Alleged “Antisemitic Comments”"

This is getting completely out of hand. Soon it's gonna be difficult to write about Nazis, or Israel, unless one is Jewish! This is absurd. Examining the rhetoric and language will require 'permission' from the Zionists.

Re: Sharon Osbourne: Roger Waters "Belongs In An Old People's Home" For Alleged “Antisemitic Comments”

Posted by Itchy Bootmore <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Itchy+Bootmore' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 3, 2023, 5:03 pm, in reply to "Sharon Osbourne: Roger Waters "Belongs In An Old People's Home" For Alleged “Antisemitic Comments”"

... sez the ex-Gangsters daughter, who by all account has kept up her grasping ways of stealing other folks money by various copyright and royalty denying antics...

She's just jumping on a bandwagon for posturing and publicity.

I don't G.A.F. for her opinion on Roger Waters... and she's probably miffed because he probably wouldn't even want to sh*g her anyway...

Re: Sharon Osbourne: Roger Waters "Belongs In An Old People's Home" For Alleged “Antisemitic Comments”

Posted by Keith-264 <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Keith-264' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on October 4, 2023, 11:32 am, in reply to "Re: Sharon Osbourne: Roger Waters "Belongs In An Old People's Home" For Alleged “Antisemitic Comments”"

Fnar!

Clio the cat, ? July 1997 - 1 May 2016
Kira the cat, ? ? 2010 - 3 August 2018
Jasper the Ruffian cat ? ? ? - 4 November 2021

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