Posted by RaskolnikovX on October 26, 2023, 8:44 pm
Now they can't ignore the result of Israel's indiscriminate bombing Biden decides the Palestinian's must be lying.
oe Biden has called into question the civilian death toll in Gaza being reported by the Palestinian authorities there.
Israeli strikes have killed more than 6,500 Palestinians, mostly civilians, according to the health ministry in Gaza, AFP reported.
But the US president cast doubt on the figure being presented from Gaza:
‘I have no notion that the Palestinians are telling the truth about how many people are killed. I’m sure innocents have been killed, and it’s a price of waging war. But I have no confidence in the number that the Palestinians are using,’ he said at the White House earlier today.
Psycho zombie twat....no amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party...So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin.
Re: Fucking Biden
Posted by Dovetail Joint on October 26, 2023, 8:50 pm, in reply to "Fucking Biden"
He's a senile, fucking, moron.
Re: Fucking Biden
Posted by Ken Waldron on October 26, 2023, 9:31 pm, in reply to "Re: Fucking Biden"
Being a "... senile, fucking, moron", let's him off too lightly on the culpability stakes . Biden WANTS this massacre to continue: as does his government and as does also the entire UK parliament minus a mere eighty or so individuals.
- Our elite are involved in a conspiracy to mass murder. That's not a theory. Israel cannot exist without the US and Biden has the leverage to stop this with one simple phone call...but what does he do instead? He sends a US war armada to prevent any local interference and blocks all humanitarian calls for world action on Gaza in the UN.
- the ongoing Gaza slaughter is US foreign policy.
President Biden says he has "no confidence in the number [of deaths] that the Palestinians are using.” Here's what @OmarSShakir of Human Rights Watch has to say about the numbers used by the Gaza Health Ministry. In short: he's sure they're accurate. washingtonpost.com/world/202…
Ps. I note our infantile US style "naughty word censor " is broken....nm
Posted by Ken Waldron on October 26, 2023, 9:45 pm, in reply to "Re: Fucking Biden"
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Meanwhile the UK's alternative "leader" in waiting....
Posted by Ken Waldron on October 27, 2023, 2:57 am, in reply to "Re: Fucking Biden"
...is awaiting US permission to agree with them:
Taj Ali @Taj_Ali1
Oct 25 Apparently Starmer told one Muslim Labour MP that the party are waiting for the US to call for a ceasefire before they endorse such a position. Oct 25, 2023 · 5:13 PM UTC
He could give us a red line on the murder victim threshold: will ten thousand dead do? or perhaps twenty? or has he no shame not morals whatsoever and gives the US unlimited immoral credit? There's jellyfish with more backbone than Starmer.
Ah well, at least folks know what they are getting: a supine worthless lying accomplice to murder: same as the other one.
As opposed to the beheaded Israeli babies Biden claimed to have seen! Just anothe war criminal. NM
Posted by sashimi on October 26, 2023, 9:01 pm, in reply to "Fucking Biden"
Re: As opposed to the beheaded Israeli babies Biden claimed to have seen! Just anothe war criminal. NM
Israel and Joe Biden have shown scepticism about accuracy of rising death toll but others point to historical reliability of data
In other words, Biden and Israel are wrong and this article is pointless and only being used to create doubt.
THe main article does then go to provide plenty of evidence that the Gazan casualty figures are correct and have always been so. Which makes you wonder why the headline was not something like "Biden innacurately and heartlessly accuses Gazan Health Ministry of Inflating Casualty Numbers" or something that at least better reflects the content of the story.
They still have to cram lots of propaganda framings in with the obligatory seemingly neutral, qualified observer casting doubt (the "ex Reuters head in Jerusalem"). Of course this is never turned around to the IDF/Israeli government.
There is a note on the bottom saying the headline has been changed to "better reflect the contents of the article".
Thanks to NewsSniffer the previous versions were:
Can we trust casualty figures from the Hamas-run Gaza health ministry?
which is straight from the phone of the Israel hasbara office.
Which then morphed to:
Joe Biden doesn’t trust casualty figures from Gaza’s health ministry. Experts do
Which is EXACTLY how it should read and accurately reflects the contents of the article.
But then they changed it to the much more neutral, current headline, which being in the form of a question implies doubt. The propaganda machine in action.
In this time of war, the health ministry in Gaza has been given its own health warning. Joe Biden has questioned the reliability of its reporting of the number of people killed and wounded during the Israeli assault on Gaza – because the health ministry is run by Hamas.
“I have no notion that the Palestinians are telling the truth about how many people are killed. I’m sure innocents have been killed, and it’s the price of waging a war,” the US president said. “But I have no confidence in the number that the Palestinians are using.”
On Thursday, the ministry said the Israeli bombing of Gaza had killed 7,028 Palestinians, including 2,913 children, in the nearly three weeks since Hamas killed about 1,400 Israelis and abducted more than 200 others in its cross-border attack.
In a move to head off allegations of fabrication, the ministry also issued a 212-page list of the names and identity numbers of every Palestinian it says has been killed in the Israeli bombardment.
The Council on American-Islamic Relations called on Biden to apologise for his “shocking and dehumanising” remarks.
The council’s director, Nihad Awad, said: “Journalists have confirmed the high number of casualties, and countless videos coming out of Gaza every day show mangled bodies of Palestinian women and children and entire city blocks levelled to the ground.
“President Biden should watch some of these videos and ask himself if the crushed children being dragged out of the ruins of their family homes are a fabrication or an acceptable price of war. They are neither.”
Luke Baker, a former Reuters bureau chief in Jerusalem, is among those calling on news organisations to show scepticism.
“It seems obvious that any self-respecting news organisation would make clear that Gaza’s health ministry is run by Hamas. Hamas has a clear propaganda incentive to inflate civilian casualties as much as possible. I’m not denying there are civilians being killed,” Baker posted on X.
Others say the ministry has a track record of reliable casualty figures and that it has fallen victim to the propaganda war as Israel seeks to minimise the consequences of its hundreds of bombing raids on Gaza.
In the past, the US state department’s annual human rights report indirectly relied on the same ministry’s casualty figures in quoting UN statistics drawn from Palestinian data.
Omar Shakir, the Israel and Palestine director at Human Rights Watch, said he saw no evidence that the numbers were being manipulated.
“We have been monitoring human rights abuses in the Gaza Strip for three decades, including several rounds of hostilities. We’ve generally found the data that comes out of the ministry of health to be reliable,” he said.
“When we have done our own independent investigations around particular strikes, and we’ve compared those figures against those from the health ministry, there haven’t been major deviations.
“Their numbers generally are consistent with what we’re seeing on the ground in recent days. There have been hundreds of airstrikes per day in one of the most densely populated areas of the world.
“We’ve looked at satellite imagery. We’ve seen the number of buildings, and the numbers that are coming out are in line with what we would expect with what we’re seeing on the ground. So you put all those things together and we’re quite confident in the overall casualty numbers.”
Shakir said a grey area was differentiating combatants from civilians among the dead, but the large proportion of women and children killed was indicative of high civilian casualties. He also said there was a need to draw a distinction between the immediate casualty numbers that came out quickly on any given day and those compiled over time, when there was more clarity.
Questioning of the reliability of the Gaza health ministry’s numbers follows the dispute over who was responsible for a large explosion at al-Ahli Arab hospital, and how many died in it.
The ministry claimed there were at least 500 deaths in an Israeli airstrike. Later accounts suggested that a misfired Islamic Jihad rocket aimed at Israel was responsible and that there was a lower death toll, of between 100 and 300 people, although a final figure has not been settled on.
However, Shakir and others said estimates of death tolls immediately after an attack should be distinguished from calculations based on recorded data.
Gaza health ministry casualty figures have historically tended to be reliable, in part because the names of the dead are carefully documented and the deaths tend to be well known in the territory’s tightly knit communities.
Shakir said: “Generally this data is catalogued in a way that there are detailed breakdowns that include identifying information about each person. That’s part of why we believe this to be reliable.”
A UN official who declined to be publicly identified said his agency had used and checked Gaza health ministry data for years.
“I have seen nothing that says to me they are making the numbers up. We looked at some of the Israeli bombings and the numbers of deaths the ministry is claiming for a particular attack are broadly in line with what we have seen in previous wars.”
He said the reason for the higher overall casualty figures was that the attacks were “much bigger than anything we’ve seen in previous wars. It’s not that they’re inflating the numbers.”
Shakir said the health ministry had got caught up in the broader battle for public opinion in which Israel has faced its own accusations of manipulating casualty figures to downplay civilian deaths and of falsely claiming that unarmed Palestinians killed by the army in the West Bank were combatants.
“Unfortunately, when reality is too difficult to stomach, Israel and so many of its allies prefer to deny it or bury their head in the sand,” Shakir said.
“As long as they can create a fog of war and misinformation about what’s taking place, it provides cover for this to continue. To continue to have 100-plus Palestinian children killed every day.”
The headline of this article was amended on 26 October 2023 to better reflect the contents of the article....no amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party...So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin.
Here's the twitter thread with the "ex-Reuters" Israel stooge getting his hasbara shoved back up him
People are NOT buying what they are selling anymore; not that you would know that from the msm coverage of course....no amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party...So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin.