Israeli Apache helicopters killed own soldiers, civilians on 7 October: Report
Posted by sashimi on November 9, 2023, 7:09 pm
9 Nov 2023
Lede: New footage corroborates previous reports that say the Israeli military is responsible for many of the Israeli casualties during the first day of Operation Al-Aqsa Flood
The Israeli military has released drone footage showing hundreds of scorched and damaged cars moved from the Nova music festival, providing further evidence that Israeli forces likely killed many of their own during the start of Operation Al-Aqsa Flood on 7 October, RT reported on 6 November.
The Nova festival took place near Kibbutz Beeri, only five kilometers away from the Gaza separation wall. It was one of the first targets hit by Palestinian resistance fighters when they broke out of Gaza, attacking military bases and settlements from 6:30 am.
During the attack, the Palestinian fighters managed to take some 240 Israelis captive, including soldiers, settlers, and foreigners.
The new drone footage shows an aerial view of hundreds of burned and destroyed cars taken from the site of the festival and placed in a dirt parking lot, creating a makeshift junkyard.
Israeli rescue service Zaka claims they removed 260 bodies from the festival site. Israel claims they were massacred by Hamas fighters and civilian Palestinian looters who flooded across the open Gaza border fence in the hours after the Hamas attack.
However, the footage appears to confirm previous reports in Israeli media that Israeli pilots flying Apache helicopters responded to the attacks by opening fire on both Hamas fighters and Israelis.
A 15 October report in Yedioth Ahronoth explained that the first helicopters arrived in the Gaza Strip about an hour after the fighting began.
The Hebrew language newspaper reports that the mission of the combat helicopters and the armed Zik drones was to stop the flow of Hamas fighters and looters that poured into Israeli territory through the gaps in the Gaza border fence.
This was complicated by the difficulty the pilots had in distinguishing between Hamas fighters, Palestinian looters dressed in civilian clothing, and Israelis.
The paper notes, "This deception worked for a considerable time until the Apaches had to skip all the restrictions. It was only around 9:00 a.m. that some of them began to spray the terrorists with the cannons on their own, without authorization from superiors."
"The rate of fire against the thousands of terrorists was tremendous at first, and only at a certain point did the pilots begin to slow down the attacks and carefully select the target," the paper added.
Despite the confusion, twenty-eight Israeli combat helicopters fired all of the ammunition they were holding, including hundreds of 30 mm cannon shells and Hellfire missiles, during the day.
After landing his Apache to reload ammunition at roughly 10:00 am, the commander of the 190 squadron instructed the other pilots "to shoot at everything they see in the fence area," separating Israel from Gaza. The same commander at one point attacked an Israeli military post with besieged soldiers inside to help the Israeli army recapture it from Hamas and opened fire near houses in a kibbutz in support of an officer from the Sinai division who had parachuted into battle Hamas militants.
According to the air force, in the first four hours from the start of the fighting, helicopters and fighter jets attacked about 300 targets, most of them in Israeli territory.
Israel's response to the Hamas attack and the problem of the hostages was alluded to in comments on 7 October from Israeli military spokesperson Rear Admiral Daniel Hagari. He described how the Israeli army was dealing with "hostage situations" using both air strikes and ground forces.
Hagari said the military was "fighting in 22 locations," adding there was "no community in southern Israel where we do not have forces, in all the towns."
"There are special forces there with senior commanders, and live firefights are going on there," he said.
Israel's air force had carried out strikes in "several locations," Hagari said, adding there were "hundreds of deaths, including many terrorists."
The main effort was to "eliminate" all "those who infiltrated Israel and are trying to return to the Gaza Strip," he said. "First of all, we will strike from the air, and then also with heavy ground means," he added.
The BBC and the rest of the media repeat ad nauseum that Hamas killed 1500 Israelis, most of them civilians and just repeat uncritically, without verification or examination, the Israeli State's version of the events of Oct 7th.
This isn't just an abdication of their journalistic responsibilities, it's spreading war propaganda, and for a foreign state, so they are, in fact, complicit in that state's war crimes in Gaza.
We'll probably have to wait fifty years, the fifty year rule, before they'll do any real journalism about what really happened that terrible day. That our journalists swallow Israeli propaganda turds whole, lick their lips and ask for more, is a disgrace.
Hannibal doctrine at work clearly. Fanatical zionism.
Posted by Keith-264 on November 10, 2023, 4:34 pm, in reply to "Quibbler .."
These fuckers plan their atrocities cold bloodedly.The last working-class hero in England.
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It's an adjective ..
Posted by t on November 10, 2023, 7:07 pm, in reply to "It's fundamental"
Both fanatical and utilitarian can be used at the same time. In other words it can be additive rather than either/or. I think I know that you would've prefer me to say utilitarian for obvious reasons.
I reacted in a friendly manner by adding a smiley and saying that you are a quibbler and you then decided to teach me that it is fundamental i.e. only utilitarian applies. That riles me since you could have said .. not just fanatical etc. I don't think there is much that you can teach me on these issues. Policing my language is not the way to go young Keith. Please desist. Both words are applicable. Thanks.
Re: It's an adjective ..
Posted by Keith-264 on November 11, 2023, 12:24 am, in reply to "It's an adjective .."
Every time you infer my mental state you reveal yours.The last working-class hero in England.
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