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Fraudian twisting things again

Posted by RaskolnikovX <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Raskolnikov' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on March 31, 2024, 1:42 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/mar/31/four-arrested-as-200000-attend-pro-palestine-march-in-london

Four arrested as 200,000 attend pro-Palestine march in London

Note the focus on the 0.0025% arrests NOT the 200,0 who marched.

Then in the detail:

A man was arrested on suspicion of a terrorism-related offence in relation to inviting support for a proscribed organisation, the Metropolitan Police said. The man has been taken to a police station in central London and remains in custody.

Three further arrests were made, one person on suspicion of a racially aggravated public order offence and two others on suspicion of causing harassment, alarm and distress.

So the first one sounds like someone wearing a Hezbollah shirt and the others sound like they could have been counter protestors? In any event it's a miniscule number.

They close with the greased lie:

The war began with Hamas’s 7 October attack that resulted in about 1,160 deaths in Israel, mostly civilians.

Israel’s retaliatory campaign has killed at least 32,705 people, mostly women and children, according to Gaza’s health ministry

Amazingly they dropped the "Hamas-run health ministry".

...no amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party...So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin.

Re: Fraudian twisting things again

Posted by RaskolnikovX <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Raskolnikov' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on March 31, 2024, 1:44 pm, in reply to "Fraudian twisting things again"

.002% that should read.

...no amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party...So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin.

Re: Fraudian twisting things again

Posted by t <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=TomskiD' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on March 31, 2024, 5:07 pm, in reply to "Fraudian twisting things again"

Good analysis. Amazing they didn't slip in that Israhell has a right to defend itself.

Amazingly they dropped the "Hamas-run health ministry".

Well spotted. Kudos.

Re: Fraudian twisting things again

Posted by Ed <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Ed' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on March 31, 2024, 7:56 pm, in reply to "Re: Fraudian twisting things again"

"Israel’s retaliatory campaign has killed at least 32,705 people, mostly women and children, according to Gaza’s health ministry"

They forgot to add the ubiquitous "But Israel disputes this".

Re: Fraudian twisting things again

Posted by Ken Waldron <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Ken+Waldron' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on March 31, 2024, 9:32 pm, in reply to "Re: Fraudian twisting things again"

"They forgot to add the ubiquitous "But Israel disputes this".

I recall a number of years ago when more prone to thinking someone might pay attention I spent several letters asking if: "the settlements are illegal under International law, but Israel disputes this", then what was the actual case number in International law where I could see this supposed Legal "disputation"...

Needless to say, I got nowhere, because they knew and admitted there was no such legal disputation. Yet even though they had effectively admitted it was wrong they persisted to used the formulaic mantra non-the-less.

-Orders from the top...

Re: Fraudian twisting things again

Posted by Ed <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Ed' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 1, 2024, 9:35 pm, in reply to "Re: Fraudian twisting things again"

Exactly Ken.
If I remember correctly, I think the war criminal Rumsfeld who went even further than the settlements and invented the "Disputed Territories" trope.

Re: Fraudian twisting things again

Posted by John Monro <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=John+Monro' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on March 31, 2024, 8:20 pm, in reply to "Fraudian twisting things again"

Yes, the first thing I noticed, the framing of the headline.

In the West End of London, on any single day, how many people are arrested for illegal behaviour? Stabbings, assaults, drinking driving, abuse behaviour,

Yet just four arrests in an otherwise peaceful population of 200,000 is the lead headline.

This constant denigration of the Palestinian cause and the protesters is tiresome and nauseating.

PS Can I be a pedant, the word is minuscule, not miniscule. I suppose so many people now think this latter is correct, that you're more of a pathfinder in the English language and this misspelling will eventually appear in the OED.

https://writingexplained.org/miniscule-or-minuscule-spelling

Etymology is From French minuscule, from Latin minuscula, feminine of minusculus (“rather less, rather small”), from minus (“less, smaller”) + -culus (diminutive suffix).

It has a similar derivation of the word "homunculus", a tiny human being, or more particularly in late mediaeval science, the idea of sperm and embryo containing such. This outmoded idea though persists in the illustrations you see of the "cortical homunculus" where the various areas and volumes of the sensory cerebral cortex are mapped to a representation of the human body, showing various organs or anatomical features inmportance in a neurological sense.

Re: Fraudian twisting things again -others have different views though.....

Posted by John Monro <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=John+Monro' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on March 31, 2024, 9:14 pm, in reply to "Re: Fraudian twisting things again"

I mentioned this matter to my daughter - she couldn't see what I was on about "It's accurate, isn't it?" was her response. She wouldn't accept that there was anything distorting in the headline. If it's accurate the reader can make up their own mind apparently. We had a bit of a warm argument, ultimately we had to agree to disagree as she wasn't going to move, and neither was I. She has become rather more libertarian in recent times and there are more places that are not worth exploring with her - this would appear to be another one . My wife was of the same opinion as her though less forcefully so.

"It's accurate, isn't it?"

Posted by scrabb <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=scrabb' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 1, 2024, 2:44 pm, in reply to "Re: Fraudian twisting things again -others have different views though....."

That's the wrong question, John. Supposing the headline had been "No arrests made at 200,000 pro-Palestinian demo." That also would have been accurate, but what would have been the point? The question to ask is whether the Fraudian would have used the same headline if the demo had been pro-Israel? And if not, why use it in this context?

I'd be interested to know what your daughter has to say to this.

Re: "It's accurate, isn't it?"

Posted by RaskolnikovX <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Raskolnikov' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 1, 2024, 5:20 pm, in reply to ""It's accurate, isn't it?" "

It's funny how people see things. As soon as I read the headline it absolutely jumped out at me that they had the focus on the only negative aspect, whether deliberately or not (just out of habit probably at this point

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Reframing it as "200,000 march for Palestine; 4 arrested" almost makes it even more absurd. It's hard for people that see things the way "we" do (I'm generalizing a lot here but at least as far as the fraudian goes we are pretty much the Borg) to comprehed how people can't see the bias that's involved in the headline.

Worries me that my minor optimism about people having their views changed because of this genocidal assault and the accompanying distortions and lies from the media might be misplaced.

...no amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party...So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin.

Re: "It's accurate, isn't it?"

Posted by Ken Waldron <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Ken+Waldron' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 1, 2024, 6:42 pm, in reply to "Re: "It's accurate, isn't it?" "

"Reframing it as "200,000 march for Palestine; 4 arrested" almost makes it even more absurd. "

In terms of news the "four arrested" should be footnote material.
Lying using the truth is about false emphasis rather than false fact.

Lawrence Kohlberg

Posted by Keith-264 <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Keith-264' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 2, 2024, 8:30 pm, in reply to "Re: "It's accurate, isn't it?" "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Kohlberg%27s_stages_of_moral_development#Stages

It isn't a panacea but it can explain the unwillingness of some people to be swayed by facts.

The last working-class hero in England.

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