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"Ukraine knows it is finished" -- Telegraph

Posted by scrabb <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=scrabb' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 29, 2024, 2:23 pm

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Re: "Ukraine knows it is finished" -- Telegraph

Posted by Ken Waldron <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Ken+Waldron' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 29, 2024, 3:06 pm, in reply to ""Ukraine knows it is finished" -- Telegraph"

"Last week, Reuters reported that Russian sources were claiming that Putin himself was prepared to entertain the notion of a ceasefire. “Putin can fight for as long as it takes, but Putin is also ready for a ceasefire – to freeze the war,” one said..."

I don't know why anyone would take what Reuters say as genuinely "Russian" sourced...it looks more like Reuters flying a kite for their UK / CIA masters.

Re: "Ukraine knows it is finished" -- Telegraph

Posted by t <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=TomskiD' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 29, 2024, 5:42 pm, in reply to "Re: "Ukraine knows it is finished" -- Telegraph"

Indeed, the delay in passing the £60 billion US aid package for Kyiv is surely in part to thank for the difficulty Ukraine has had in throwing off Russia’s advance on Kharkiv. Putin’s generals saw weakness and took their chance.

I think this Torygraph churnalist hasn't got a clue about military realities on the ground and just makes it up as she goes along and spews propaganda whilst she is at it. Kharkov offensive had a specific aim by RF to create cordon sanitaire to stop bombing of civilians in Belgorod. As to £60 billion US aid package, we know this is basically a US scam to replenish it's weaponry and that most weapons shan't be available for a number of years. No mention of Ukr construction of non-existent defence lines scam .. at least we are informed here on TLN fwiw.

Re: "Ukraine knows it is finished" -- Telegraph

Posted by Ken Waldron <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Ken+Waldron' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 29, 2024, 8:15 pm, in reply to "Re: "Ukraine knows it is finished" -- Telegraph"

"I think this Torygraph churnalist hasn't got a clue about military realities on the ground and just makes it up as she goes along and spews propaganda whilst she is at it"

Otherwise an assistant editor and writer for "The Spectator." She's apparently a fluent Russian speaker: her mother is a Russian emigre...her father teaches writing. Young, keen,literate, anti-Putin...just how they like 'em.

-Guaranteed never to be out of work by the Security Services.

Re: "Ukraine knows it is finished" -- Telegraph

Posted by t <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=TomskiD' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 29, 2024, 9:19 pm, in reply to "Re: "Ukraine knows it is finished" -- Telegraph"

-Guaranteed never to be out of work by the Security Services.

Thanks for her background. Makes sense : /

You are saying, in a way, this is another Forever War against RF by the west. I guess there is a chance that the Empire will attempt to carry on with the two-front war, RF and China. Ijits. I wonder how long is her employment likely to last? Forever .. or just after the US election? Popcorn at the ready

Re: "Ukraine knows it is finished" -- Telegraph

Posted by Ken Waldron <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Ken+Waldron' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 29, 2024, 10:23 pm, in reply to "Re: "Ukraine knows it is finished" -- Telegraph"

"You are saying, in a way, this is another Forever War against RF by the west. I guess there is a chance..."

-Yup. The best deal we can get out of this is for the West to hunker down for a new Cold War without doing anything seriously stupid.

That means continued economic decline for Europe, as well as increased worthless spending on the Military Industrial complex for world beating boondoggles...oh and endless propaganda about how Russia is an oppressive dictatorship...unlike the free, fair democracy that we will clearly have...

" Ijits. I wonder how long is her employment likely to last? Forever .. or just after the US election? "

-Forever. It will take untill her retirement as an old lady for them to get used to the idea of being beaten/wrong.

Re: "Ukraine knows it is finished" -- Telegraph

Posted by t <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=TomskiD' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 29, 2024, 10:57 pm, in reply to "Re: "Ukraine knows it is finished" -- Telegraph"

-Forever. It will take untill her retirement as an old lady for them to get used to the idea of being beaten/wrong.

Fortunately, I am not a pessimist like you. A week is long time in politics. My popcorn is at the ready

Re: "Ukraine knows it is finished" -- Telegraph

Posted by Ken Waldron <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Ken+Waldron' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 29, 2024, 11:17 pm, in reply to "Re: "Ukraine knows it is finished" -- Telegraph"

"Fortunately, I am not a pessimist like you. "

-The Brit elite still think of Russia in the 19th c. terms of the "Great Game"...the idea that they will willingly loose the requisite colonial mindset which has taken them near 200 years to inculate is asking a lot: it's part of their identity.

Re: "Ukraine knows it is finished" -- Telegraph

Posted by t <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=TomskiD' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 29, 2024, 11:28 pm, in reply to "Re: "Ukraine knows it is finished" -- Telegraph"

-The Brit elite still think of Russia in the 19th c. terms of the "Great Game"...the idea that they will willingly loose the requisite colonial mindset which has taken them near 200 years to inculate is asking a lot: it's part of their identity.

Again, just to stress the point, muscle memory only works up to a point. There could be a point of inflexion imo, where more able admin takes over? I know, it just might be wishful thinking, in a sense, but nevertheless, it should be on the table, so to speak. Hence my popcorn : )

Re: "Ukraine knows it is finished" -- Telegraph

Posted by Keith-264 <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Keith-264' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 29, 2024, 11:44 pm, in reply to "Re: "Ukraine knows it is finished" -- Telegraph"

I doubt that the British boss class know much history, when their qualification for office is subordination to American Caesar. I think that it's simple Realpolitik, not anachronistic chauvinism.

The last working-class hero in England.

Clio the cat, ? July 1997 - 1 May 2016
Kira the cat, ? ? 2010 - 3 August 2018
Jasper the Ruffian cat ? ? ? - 4 November 2021

Re: "Ukraine knows it is finished" -- Telegraph

Posted by Ken Waldron <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Ken+Waldron' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 30, 2024, 1:41 am, in reply to "Re: "Ukraine knows it is finished" -- Telegraph"

"Anachronistic chauvinism" could be the UK's other name...and on that as pointed out before, even the dumbest of the UK elite think like that...as voiced by the pervy Prince himself on an arms sale promotion:

“The United Kingdom, Western Europe (and by extension you Americans, too) we’re now back in the thick of playing the Great Game..and this time we intend to win.” (2008)

...The entire UK military class have always been full of shit about its colonial adventuring, derring-do and how the UK can always "punch above its weight".

Defense Secretary Fallons "...Britain would be able to fight a war against Russia within two years..."(2016) was typical.

I reckon it's worse that mere realpolitic: it's delusion.

Re: "Ukraine knows it is finished" -- Telegraph

Posted by John Monro <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=John+Monro' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 30, 2024, 12:16 pm, in reply to "Re: "Ukraine knows it is finished" -- Telegraph"

Indeed recall Ben Wallace saying something like "We kicked Tsar Nicholas 1st arse in 1854, we can do the same to Putin.

Stupid, juvenile, war comic man.

Doesn't he realise?............

.................there aren't enough horses nowadays....

Re: "Ukraine knows it is finished" -- Telegraph

Posted by Keith-264 <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Keith-264' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 30, 2024, 12:51 pm, in reply to "Re: "Ukraine knows it is finished" -- Telegraph"

The Minister of 'Defence' is always a bit thick and likes to ride a tank.

The last working-class hero in England.

Clio the cat, ? July 1997 - 1 May 2016
Kira the cat, ? ? 2010 - 3 August 2018
Jasper the Ruffian cat ? ? ? - 4 November 2021

Re: "Ukraine knows it is finished" -- Telegraph

Posted by Ken Waldron <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Ken+Waldron' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 30, 2024, 1:48 pm, in reply to "Re: "Ukraine knows it is finished" -- Telegraph"

Indeed who can forget the immortal Gavin Williamson... "Russia should go away and shut up"

There! That sorted it all out...and Putin shivered in his boots.

-Gavin of course got a knighthood for his efforts from Russia hating Nazi Azov-loving Boris, himself the bastard scion of some royal somewhere down the line...

Starmer will lap this up in his union flag pants, while genocide continues in Pal. nm

Posted by marknadim <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=marknadim' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 29, 2024, 11:52 pm, in reply to ""Ukraine knows it is finished" -- Telegraph"

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