The msm media and politican's reaction to the riots has been like that Spiderman Twitter meme where they are all pointing at each other saying "This is your fault".
...no amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party...So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin.
Oborne is only "right on the money" if you ignore an awful lot. The MSM did not invent the grooming gangs nor the Islamist terror attacks which have killed and maimed so many. Nor did the media invent the Batley teacher in hiding, along with his family, in fear of his life several years after 'offending' muslim sensibilities in a school lesson. Nor did it invent the hapless woman and her son, forced from their home after all too credible threats of violence following her son's scuffing a copy of the Koran. The press conference where she cravenly apologised to so-called community leaders while senior police officers spoke only to thank them for their 'tolerance' - too frightened to even utter the law let alone uphold it - is an all-time low. Just in case anyone is unclear, it's not an offence to scuff a book but it is to threaten people.
Nor did it invent Salman Rushdie, living under threat of death since publishing a novel that 'offended' some and I'm pretty sure the media didn't invent the attack on him in which he lost an eye. I'm also sure they didn't invent the murder of Sir David Amess, killed by an Islamist at a constituency surgery - strange that Oborne references Jo Cox's murder but not that of Amess nor the stabbing of another MP. One might draw the conclusion that only right-wing violence counts.
I think a lot of people are coming to see that violence and intimidation work - and I don't think it's Nigel Farage or Tommy Robinson who taught that particular lesson.
Re: The MSM did not invent the grooming gangs nor the Islamist terror attacks
Nor did it invent focusing on "grooming gangs", child abuse and violent crime only when the perpetrators are of only one shade, you know, like racists do.
You want to justify this fascist, bigoted thuggery, go right ahead; I'll never agree with it nor the attempts to excuse it. You crack on though....no amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party...So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin.
That, often misquoted, Maya Angelou quote definitely fits here
"When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time"
This is about the tenth time with you. Isn't it about time you came out of the closet? There's playing Devil's Advocate and being sceptical but a definite pattern has emerged regarding the things you take issue with suggesting this isn't really a place with politics and beliefs you agree with....no amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party...So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin.
Re: The MSM did not invent the grooming gangs nor the Islamist terror attacks
On the issue of grooming gangs, the majority are in fact white but it is true to say that there is an issue mainly in the male Pakistani community out of proportion to population numbers. There are two cultural issues here: the lack of legitimate sexual outlets for Asian males within their culture and the neglect of young white girls in Britsh society. For perspective I give the following from Anne Cryer: whom I have mentioned in the past as being the on!y woman in Blairs female intake who actually stood up for disadvantaged women and who also had to deal with this issue in her own constituency:
Ann Cryer and the fight to expose child grooming gangs in Yorkshire
By Chris Burn Published 26th Aug 2019, 12:45 BST
Ann Cryer was one of the first public figures to expose the issue of child grooming gangs in Yorkshire Ann Cryer was one of the first public figures to expose the issue of child grooming gangs in Yorkshire Ann Cryer was one of the first public figures to expose the issue of child grooming gangs in Yorkshire. Almost 20 years on, she says more can still be done to protect victims. Chris Burn reports. “You need to be brave to take on this issue because you will be called a racist,” says former MP Ann Cryer as she sits in her back garden in Shipley reflecting on her experiences of trying to highlight the issue of young white girls being abused by grooming gangs from the Pakistani community. “It is unpleasant, to say the least.”
Cryer had been the Labour MP for Keighley for six years when she first heard about what has become known as child sexual exploitation in 2003 from a group of concerned mothers who said their 12 and 13-year-old daughters were being sexually exploited by a group of older Asian men and the police and social services were refusing to act.
The now 79-year-old says she “hadn’t a clue” about the issue despite being closely involved with her area’s Asian community on the issue of forced marriage and was initially wary of engaging with the mothers because of concerns they may be connected with the British National Party.
Ann Cryer was one of the first public figures to expose the issue of child grooming gangs in Yorkshire 'Police are getting a grip on child sexual exploitation' says Yorkshire boss“At the time, the BNP were becoming very active in the Keighley area and I said to my assistant, ‘just check none of these mothers have any connections to the BNP.’ You would be amazed the stuff people get up to in politics. I thought if they have any connection with the BNP it puts into question what they tell me. But there was absolutely no record of them being involved and anything other than Labour supporters.”
She says that her assistant met with the mothers and reported back that “what they were saying was not only accurate and believable but horrific”.
Cryer took the matter up with social services in Bradford but says she was told “it is nothing to do with us” as the children weren’t in care. “I said ‘I think it has, you should take an interest in children being abused in this way’,” Cryer recalls. “I did get a bit cross because it just wasn’t good enough – they were 12 and 13 years old, having sex with a gang of Pakistani men in their 20s and 30s.
“I went from that to seeing West Yorkshire Police. I almost lived at the headquarters near my offices. They kept trying to convince me there was no way they could bring charges for this behaviour. They said if it goes to court, the men will say it was with the permission of the girls. I said, ‘Even if that were the case having sex with underage girls is a criminal offence, full stop’.”
Cryer says she was also told another problem was it was the mothers speaking out rather than the girls themselves. She says she faced a difficult dilemma on whether to go public about what was happening after attempting to raise concerns behind the scenes.
Support services 'critical' to easing exploitation in Yorkshire, Children's Minister Nadhim Zahawi says“You are treading on dangerous ground when you raise questions about girls of 12 and 13. If you go public, you may be adding to their problems. I felt the only way I could go public was if I felt sure what I was doing would help rather than hinder their situation.
“I spoke to friends in the Labour party and a couple of them said, ‘Didn’t you know it was going on?’ I said, ‘No, this is the first time I have ever heard of this’. I was told it had been going on for several years. I was thinking, what the heck do I do now? People were telling me it was a ‘well-known fact’ that these Pakistani lads were up to this sort of thing in Keighley. I did go public because I decided that the only way I am going to get anywhere with this was to make a fuss about it.”
Cryer took part in a television interview about the situation and also raised the matter with then-Home Secretary David Blunkett, arranging for him to meet the mothers directly, who by that stage had the names and addresses of 65 men they believed were implicated in their daughters’ abuse.
Blunkett introduced a new offence of grooming in late 2003 which meant that anyone convicted of meeting a child with the intention of committing a sex offence faced up to 10 years in jail. Several convictions in Keighley were to follow as police investigated what the mothers said was happening to their daughters.
But Cryer says the backlash to her public involvement was immediate and came from several different quarters. “It was this idea that I had misunderstood and this couldn’t possibly have happened,” she says.
She says by far the most hurtful accusation was that she was racist and at one point told her husband John Hammersley she was unsure whether she could continue. “It was the most terrible experience of my life,” she says. “There was a certain point when I felt like giving the whole thing up because I was being called a racist.
"Three of my now grown-up grandchildren are half-Indian and now have a younger granddaughter who is half-African. To be called a racist with those aspects of my family was absolutely hideous, very hurtful and it isn’t a situation that I would want to go through again.
“I once said to John, ‘I’m sick to death of this’. John said, ‘You know you are doing the right thing, let them call you what they call you’.”
She says the situation got to the point where police installed a panic alarm in her house after threatening notes and phone calls were made to her constituency office. “I did get a little bit worried. But I didn’t worry all that much. I knew the Pakistani community in Keighley and didn’t get the impression they were behind it.”
She faced a further challenge when BNP leader Nick Griffin ran against her in the 2005 General Election. Cryer retained her seat, with Griffin finishing last after a highly-charged campaign.
Despite the challenges, Cryer says she had a duty to tackle the issue. “I had to speak out to protect the wellbeing of young white girls who were only 12 and 13. I had to think how I would be feeling if it was my daughter who had these terrible things done to her and of course I would have moved heaven and earth to make sure she was safe. That is what I had to do in the cases at Keighley. I had to do whatever I could to protect the wellbeing of the girls in my constituency.”
Cryer says she feels that the police and social services now have a better understanding of CSE and are responding more effectively to it. “When I go back to what it was like in the early days, it has transformed.”
But she adds that it is her experience that some resistance to accepting the scale of the problem remains.
“We must remember at all times it is a tiny minority of the Pakistani community who are involved in these terrible cases. But I do think the Pakistani community could be more active in tracking down what is going on and trying to stop these young men behaving in this totally un-Islamic way.
“They are bringing a lot of problems onto the Pakistani Muslim community. The elders, the mosques, the families, the biraderis should all be doing whatever they can to make sure that this terrible behaviour doesn’t continue.
“I know the reality of the situation from the young girls who went through this situation. We must persist in protecting such girls.”
Awareness of child sexual exploitation has grown greatly in recent years with scandals brought to light across the UK. One of the most shocking examples was revealed five years ago today when the Jay report revealed there had been at least 1,400 victims in the town of Rotherham.
In February 2016 a group of 12 men who committed serious sexual offences against two girls in Keighley and Bradford were jailed for 130 years.
Cryer, who stood down as an MP in 2010, says: “I thought Keighley was the only town in the whole world that had his difficulty. It started coming out that it wasn’t the case. I thought, why didn’t I know about this? But it confirmed my belief that I had done the right thing.”
The grooming gangs did not begin with white working class girls in the north of England but with girls of Sikh heritage in the West Midlands in the 1970's. Sikhs went to the police and met with an indifferent response eventually forming themselves into vigilante groups. The resulting street violence was dismissed by police as 'inter-community tensions'.
You are far too charitable to the perpetrators. The grooming gangs represent one of the longest-running criminal enterprises in UK history - literally decades of men from a particular background targeting young women of different ethnicities. This goes way beyond mere sexual frustration.
Re: The grooming gangs did not begin with white working class girls but with girls of Sikh heritage
-Its definitely an issue which requires attention but the fact remains that the vast majority of child sex abusers in the UK are not Asian grooming gangs but members of the victims own family.
Placing all emphasis on Pakistani grooming gangs is merely externalizing the matter to play into a racist agenda. It's of note that the EDL who promote the "Asian grooming gangs" line strongly is itself replete with quite a collection of convicted paedophile offenders.
This is likely to be lost in translation, unless one has a background in geopolitics .. end of. Meanwhile on the domestic front, so to speak, we have Tony G to thank for giving us the all the msm spewing prop about 'others' which influences the population. Posted by K264:
Have a look at the news headlines in his article, Islamophobia and racism on steroids.
Thank you Sue, you're a brave lady putting a contentious contrary view here. Unlike the others, I hope you continue to post, or freedom of speech won't be existing on these pages. As long as you're prepared to be ( verbally) shot down in flames.
"Whataboutery" is a perfectly valid argument in many situations, it's another way of pointing out hypocrisy or selective arguments. And up to your last sentence i felt your argument was worth making even as I don't agree with it, because it missed the more important point of what is actually happening in the streets of the UK (not Scotland so far) and that it seemed to be something of an apologia. . But the "I don't think it's Nigel Farage or Tommy Robinson who taught that particular lesson" Sorry, that's obviously seriously wrong and unhelpful, both teach and have taught for yeasr racial and social intolerance and in Tommy Robinson's case, a good measure of violence too.. Perhaps they weren't the first, but you'd have to go back thousands of years to find the person who first did teach this. But the most powerful purveyors of intolerance are Rupert Murdoch and the Mail, and far too many politicians. so the notion in your headline that the "MSM" media weren't responsible just stands no scrutiny. They've been stoking the flames for years.
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Muslim Grooming Gangs: A Response to Sargon of Akkad
The video was originally posted in response to some nonsense put out by said Sargon, but then facts, methodology of the racists applies now.
Maybe we should get more Britain First content for, you know, freedom of speech.
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...no amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party...So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin.
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