After the latest lies from the IDF about the Red Crescent murders I thought I'd look for a list of Israeli deceptions since Oct 7th. Thought there could easily be a 'top 100' by now, but all I could find were individual examples and a few lists in the immediate aftermath of Oct 7th. The best I found was this wiki page on 'Misinformation in the Gaza war [sic]'. Hamstrung by the editorial stance of trusting msm outlets and disallowing citation of independent sources (see K246's thread: https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/thread/1742142116.html), trying to present it as a 'both sides' issue with Hamas & their Evil Backers in Russia, Iran & China just as guilty, it's still a relatively comprehensive list. Striking also, in spite of all the noise made about bot farms and unsubstantiated claims on social media, that most of the specific examples of debunked claims cited come from the Israeli propaganda organs AND were cited by top politicians around the world (as well as most of the msm sources wiki is in bed with, not that they mention that):
A few big ones missing are all the BS around Hamas ordering mass r@pe on Oct 7th, the 'false flag' of Israel allowing the atrocities to happen and/or the IDF also being responsible dismissed as 'conspiracy theory'. Otherwise the list is pretty damning even on the face of it.
Eliot Higgins given a paragraph near the end to rend his garments about how bad both sides have been in the propaganda war:
'In February 2024, Bellingcat founder Eliot Higgins said, "I think the intensity of online discourse around Israel and Palestine is really kind of much worse than I've seen in any of the conflicts. People are not looking to establish the truth in many cases, but basically just look for things to bash each other over the head online. It's really just about people arguing their positions, their opinions, and not really establishing the exact truth around what's happening."[215]'
(Facepalm) I wonder what Max Blumenthal would have said if approached for comment? Of course wiki would never do that because: 'The Grayzone was deprecated in the 2020 RfC. There is consensus that The Grayzone publishes false or fabricated information. Some editors describe The Grayzone as Max Blumenthal's blog, and question the website's editorial oversight.' - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#Game_Developer
I've been searching for criticism of Wiki but they tent to turn up wiki articles about corruption etc (!?!). I found this one that's more than a decade old. Clearly I'm looking in the wrong place.The last working-class hero in England.
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Re: Wikibent
Posted by Keith-264 on April 7, 2025, 12:10 am, in reply to "Wikibent"
Just remembered the Philip Cross scandal.The last working-class hero in England.
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Re: Wikibent
Posted by Ian M on April 7, 2025, 10:46 pm, in reply to "Re: Wikibent"
Thx for the article, will take a look...
Ah, Phillip Cross, the likely Oliver Kamm sock puppet (according to C.Murray, I think it was), yes I'd forgotten about him too. Have read various things in the past about the collusion between wiki and the CIA, but can't find a link right now. Everything with a pinch of salt... or shovel-full as the case may be!
CIA moderating Wikipedia – former editor Intelligence agencies have been manipulating the online encyclopedia for more than a decade, Larry Sanger has claimed
Wikipedia is one of many tools used by the US liberal establishment and its allies in the intelligence community to wage “information warfare,” the site’s co-founder, Larry Sanger, has told journalist Glenn Greenwald.
Speaking on Greenwald’s ‘System Update’ podcast, Sanger lamented how the site he helped found in 2001 has become an instrument of “control” in the hands of the left-liberal establishment, among which he counts the CIA, FBI, and other US intelligence agencies.
“We do have evidence that, as early as 2008, that CIA and FBI computers were used to edit Wikipedia,” he said. “Do you think that they stopped doing that back then?”
Activity by the CIA and FBI on Wikipedia was first made public by a programming student named Virgil Griffith in 2007. Griffith developed a program called WikiScanner that could trace the location of computers used to edit Wikipedia articles, and found that the CIA, FBI, and a host of large corporations and government agencies were scrubbing the online encyclopedia of incriminating information.
The word for it is ‘propaganda’: Wikipedia co-founder says website has morphed into playground for rich and powerful manipulators
CIA computers were used to remove casualty counts from the Iraq War, while an FBI machine was used to remove aerial and satellite images of the US prison at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba. CIA computers were used to edit hundreds of articles, including entries on then Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, China’s nuclear program, and the Argentine navy.
Some edits were more petty, with former CIA chief William Colby apparently editing his own entry to expand his list of accomplishments.
“[The intelligence agencies] pay off the most influential people to push their agendas, which they’re already mostly in line with, or they just develop their own talent within the [intelligence] community, learn the Wikipedia game, and then push what they want to say with their own people,” Sanger told Greenwald.
“A great part of intelligence and information warfare is conducted online,” he continued, “on websites like Wikipedia.”
Earlier this year, X (formerly Twitter) owner Elon Musk released a trove of documents showing how the platform’s former executives colluded with the FBI to remove content the agency wanted hidden, assisted the US military’s online influence campaigns, and censored “anti-Ukraine narratives” on behalf of multiple US intelligence agencies.
Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg has also admitted that Facebook, the biggest social media platform on Earth, censored accurate information that was damaging to President Joe Biden’s 2020 election campaign at the direct request of the FBI. Tell your story; Ask a question; Interpret generously http://storybythethroat.wordpress.com/tell-ask-listen/
Ah yes, Phillip Cross...where did he go? Maybe wore himself out...
Posted by Ed on April 7, 2025, 11:34 pm, in reply to "Jimmy..."
...he was a very busy little bee at one time, as I remember!
on April 6, 2025, 10:26 am