Not sure why you are saying this unless you are just reading the title only. In addition you are not referring to anything that was said by Larry Johnson .. unless you are referring to Crooke. One doesn't know.
The recent release of the National Security doc has caused some stir, but then unless words are followed by action it is basically meaningless. And yes, it has happened before
Nothing to do with opinions. People who ignore history are just not credible.
The US has had it in for Russia ever since the Russian people overthrew the Tzar in the February Revolution.
And, closer to today, anybody believing or trusting Trump is out of their mind. Just look at his record. Again, they're ignoring history.
Have you noticed the tendency of many, maybe all, of the retired military types - that we frequently see on here - to think Trump is basically a good guy who has lost his way because he is being misled by his advisers. They seem to be as anti-immigrant as Trump. Which might explain their support.
Incidentally, Larry Johnson started off his spiel by talking about how he believes Trump really does want to stop the war in Ukraine. Hence my "Listen to Berletic" who believes the US wants to rule the planet. That it will do strategic sequencing to deal with those it sees as its enemies starting out with freezing the war in Ukraine before pivoting to China and then working it's way back around to complete its attack on Russia. Dealing with Iran and Venezuela along the way. In whatever order it sees fit.
I use the word Trump but he has actually no say in what goes on. It doesn't matter who's "in charge" the policy was written long ago.
Incidentally, the NSS paper talks about what sounds like the usual unconditional support for Israel. The paper is devoid of anything useful. Just more propaganda for the gullible.
Between you, me, and the lamppost, I don't that much of a drift ..
The US has had it in for Russia ever since the Russian people overthrew the Tzar in the February Revolution.
There is some truth in what you say. We have the evidence. Quite curious since the Russian Empire supported 1775 septic revolution, I do believe with warships fwiw.
Incidentally, Larry Johnson started off his spiel by talking about how he believes Trump really does want to stop the war in Ukraine
Informed opinion, shall me say, perhaps? And .. I do believe that septics have that 'belief' that the shining city on the hill is the end of the show, poor things.
I didn't realise the bit re NSS paper re Israhell. Ominous.
Crooke: Bait and switch stage two – Shooting the breeze in Moscow (art)
President Trump’s friend, Steve Witkoff, together with Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, met on 2 December with President Putin at the Kremlin in Moscow.
Taking part in the meeting on the Russian side were Presidential Aide Yury Ushakov and Kirill Dmitriev. This marked Witkoff’s sixth meeting with Putin in 2025 and Kushner’s first in-person involvement in these talks.
Reportedly, the core agenda was an ‘update’ of the U.S. ‘talking points’ – one that is said to have incorporated further (unspecified) input from the Ukrainians and Europeans.
Despite the redrafting, the talking points reflect a U.S. agenda that is little changed in essence from earlier Witkoff talking points. It is, for example, again framed around a ceasefire (rather than a wider political agreement, as Russia demands); on de facto border recognition (rather than de jure recognition of the four oblasts now constitutionally incorporated into Russia).
Some possible Ukrainian concessions in the Donbas region seemingly were discussed too, as well as security guarantees for Ukraine that would be coordinated with European allies; and finally, ‘restrictions’ on Ukraine’s military capabilities (somewhat laughably ‘capped’ at 800,000 men – rather than the 2022 Istanbul ball-park figure of some 50,000-60,00).
Putin reportedly agreed that some elements of the proposal might merit further discussion, but reiterated Russia’s non-negotiable positions.
In sum, it seems that, as Marco Rubio has stated, “[the U.S. continues] to test to see if the Russians are ‘interested in peace’. Their actions – not their words, their actions – will determine whether they’re serious or not, and we [team Trump] intend to find that out sooner rather than later …”.
Effectively, Witkoff was sent to Moscow ‘to test yet again’ (after another American escalatory episode, with four ATACM long-range missiles fired ‘deep into Russia’ and the imposition of more oil sanctions) whether Putin now was willing to do a ‘deal’ that Trump could present as an ‘American achievement’.
The U.S. ‘carrot’ is the offer of incremental sanctions relief (at U.S. discretion). The ‘stick’ was represented by the missiles launched into deep Russia – and more sanctions imposed on Russian oil companies. These latter clearly were intended as a ‘memo’ of what might follow – should Putin not agree a ‘deal’.
This is the same ‘deal’ that has been offered to Russia before. And here is the rub – simply, Putin does not want a ‘deal’. What he insists on is a legally binding treaty – as he has repeatedly stated.
Putin pointedly underlined this demand through Lavrov’s absence from the Witkoff meeting. It was a clear signal from Russia that the foundation for actual negotiations is still not in place. Putin’s goal was to explain — politely and firmly — what Russia’s fundamental positions are with respect to settling the war in Ukraine.
These positions are unchanged from those that Putin outlined on 14 June 2024 in his address to the Russian Foreign Ministry staff.
Putin however, sent his own ‘message’ to the White House.
Speaking to reporters in Bishkek, in Kyrgyzstan last Thursday, Putin explained how negotiations with the U.S. should – and must – be handled. He said that Foreign Minister Lavrov is responsible for handling contacts and negotiations on possible terms to end the war in Ukraine, and that he relies on Lavrov’s reports from these talks, while avoiding public discussion of specific proposals.
So, there it is. Putin scents the coming U.S. ‘switch’ – and won’t have any of it.
He is indicating that the negotiation process is only to be conducted through professional channels, in a professionally staffed and legal format that leads to a treaty, rather than ‘a deal’.
Putin thus explicitly renounces ‘a deal’. Witkoff and Kushner were intent on seeking to extract concessions from Russia: they sought a temporary ceasefire (rather than any binding settlement), sweetened by sanctions relief that would incremental: i.e. as ‘periodic rewards’ for continued Russian good behaviour (rather as rats in a laboratory are trained to press the food button).
Why is the U.S. so stuck on a ceasefire rather than a comprehensive security framework including a new security architecture for East Europe?
The answer is that Trump wants a ‘win’ – an outcome that can be presented to the American public as another war ‘stopped by Trump’ (he claims it would be the eighth), whilst simultaneously sold to the deep powers as merely a hiatus in a conflict that will be resumed after a pause – when the Europeans (‘security guarantors’) have rebuilt the Ukrainian army. It would represent ‘a win’ for the ‘hawks’ because it can be ‘narrated’ that resumed military conflict would eat into the Russian economy, and might even end with Putin’s removal from office.
Wishful thinking, of course. But so many western narratives are wishful, rather than realist thinking.
In short, the overall aim to the American opaque and ambiguous ‘talking points’ is to corner Putin, and push him off his fundamental principles – such as his insistence on eliminating the root causes to the conflict, and not just the symptoms. There is no hint in this or earlier drafts or of any recognition of root causes (expansion of NATO and missile emplacements), beyond the vague promise of a “dialogue [that] will be conducted between Russia and NATO, mediated by the United States, to resolve all security issues and create conditions for de-escalation, thereby ensuring global security and increasing opportunities for cooperation and future economic development”.
The Sherlock Holmesian ‘dog that significantly did not bark in the night’ consists in the odd absence of Rubio, who is the formal Secretary of State, and the man, who, in normal circumstances would negotiate a legal and binding treaty.
Instead, we have Trump’s New York real estate friend and his son-in-law. Neither are formal members of the U.S. Administration; neither are mandated by the official organs of the U.S. state to negotiate on behalf of the United States.
So should America decide to resume its war on Russia, it would be possible to say, as per the “not one inch eastward” (as after the reunification of Germany), ‘but was that not-an-inch further’ commitment written on paper?
Witkoff and Kushner? ‘They were but Trump’s friends shooting the breeze during a visit to Moscow’.
on December 8, 2025, 2:20 pm