It is somewhat amazing how low the quality of western propaganda has become. Especially when it relates to hobbyhorses like Israel.
Here is NBCnews testing not only the stupidity of its viewers and readers but also demonstrating the fatuity of its 'journalists'.
'Top secret' Hamas documents show that terrorists intentionally targeted elementary schools and a youth center
Documents exclusively obtained by NBC News show that Hamas created detailed plans to target elementary schools and a youth center in the Israeli kibbutz of Kfar Sa'ad, to "kill as many people as possible," seize hostages and quickly move them into the Gaza Strip. The attack plans, which are labeled "top secret" in Arabic, appear to be orders for two highly trained Hamas units to surround and infiltrate villages and target places where civilians, including children, gather. Israeli authorities are still determining the death toll in Kfar Sa'ad.
The documents were found on the bodies of Hamas terrorists by Israeli first responders and shared with NBC News. They include detailed maps and show that Hamas intended to kill or take hostage civilians and school children.
One page labeled “Top Secret” outlines a plan of attack for Kfar Sa’ad, saying “Combat unit 1” is directed to “contain the new Da’at school,” while “Combat unit 2” is to “collect hostages,” “search the Bnei Akiva youth center” and “search the old Da’at school.”
The attack happened in the early hours of October 7, a Saturday.
What do Zionist children do on a Sabbath, before dawn? Are they sitting in school? Do they visit a youth center?
If Hamas terrorists maneuvered around schools to kill children they came at the wrong time and the wrong day.
At least to me that does not seem to be the most plausible explanation for their carefully planned operation.
The Israeli army is going all in. The plan is to push all people in Gaza into the desert of Sinai:
"This is thought out... There is a huge expanse, almost endless space in the Sinai desert, just on the other side of Gaza. ... The idea is for them to leave over for the open areas where we, and the international community, will prepare the infrastructure, ten cities, with food and water... just like for the refugees of Syria that fled the butchering of Asad.... There is a way to receive them all on the other side for temporary time on [sic.] Sinai... and Egypt will have to play ball." That is from an ex-deputy foreign minister of Israel. If he says "for temporary time" he likely means centuries.
There are clashes in the West Bank where Israel is trying to incite a third intifada. Some 43 Palestinians were killed in the West Bank over the last six days. Nine of them during the last 24 hours. There are also clashes and artillery exchanges along the boarder with Lebanon.
People who try to flee from north to south Gaza get bombed along the evacuation route.
The Times and The Sunday Times @thetimes - 12:41 UTC · Oct 14, 2023 A convoy of vehicles heading south after Israel ordered more than one million Palestinians to leave the north was struck at about 5pm yesterday
Israel also bombed the Jordanian field hospital in Gaza. Neither was unintentionally.
Israel can do that because western politicians and 'journalists' are covering its ass.
Egypt is more under the domination of Saudi Arabia and the UAE than it is the US anymore, and it is not likely that Saudi Arabia would back any ethnic cleansing of Gaza, as the internal price would be too high to pay. In any case, despite Saudi and Emirati financial pressure on it, Egypt does not always dance to their tune of its creditors either, and Egyptian public opinion, when aroused, counts for something too, despite the failure of the revolution of 2011-2013. Egypt will not welcome the Gazans as refugees in Egypt; it didn't before, when it ruled Gaza 1948-1956 and 1957-1967, and it won't now especially. Egypt has just faced a furious guerilla war waged by a very small population of a couple of hundred thousand Sinai natives in the very area near the Gaza Strip, and that war was definitely connected with the hostility of those Sinai natives to Israel, as some of their ancestors were originally from the so-called "Bedouins" driven out by the Israelis in 1949-1955 into Egypt and Jordan. Egypt would fear that the Gazans would increase the existing problem tenfold.
Indeed, Egypt would regard the Gazans moving to Sinai as a national catastrophe, not just for the Gazans but for Egypt as well, so this is not something they will give in on easily. Even if President al-Sisi were amenable to being bribed, which I think is out of the question, he has to follow the will of the Egyptian military, the establishment, and the people at large on this, so I am certain Egypt will resist. The arrival of the Gazans would mean the loss of Northeast Sinai, and it might destabilize the Egyptian regime as well, which is not very popular to begin with. Furthermore, Israel forcing the Gazans into Egypt would constitute an abrogation of the peace treaty with Egypt and an act of war by Israel against Egypt.
As for the possibility that 2.3 million people might be displaced to Europe or scattered in the western countries, it is good if those countries fear that, because that might make them pressure Israel to stop. But all such countries would not welcome the Gazans in any case and would do all that is in their power to prevent them from entering. However, if they were dumped in Sinai by force, it would then be in the interest of Egypt to help facilitate their moving elsewhere, so, yes, some might wind up in Europe, joining the continuous waves of boat people coming from Libya and even sometimes from Egypt. Being highly politicized, the Gazans would probably have a effect one way or another, especially to the detriment of Israel wherever they went. So it should not necessarily be assumed that forward-thinking Israelis would welcome the escape of the Gazans from Israeli confinement, because, then what?
Whether Egypt could stop the Israelis from forcing the Gazans into Egypt is another question. Egypt's military forces in Sinai are weak, though they have been increased with Israeli approval in order to control the guerilla war of the Sinai natives (Sinaians? new word). Maybe Israel thinks that the Egyptians won't be able to block the Gazans from crossing the heavily-fortified Sinai fence. But the Gazans probably won't be inclined easily to leave the Gaza Strip, no matter what, so it will be the Israelis doing the push in that case.
As pointed out by the piece posted @ Down South | Oct 14 2023 14:44 utc | 19 and Down South | Oct 14 2023 14:45 utc | 20 (Thanks, Down South), conquering Gaza will be no picnic for the Israelis either. The longer the campaign goes on, the less support Israel will have and the more it will be pressured to stop and even outright condemned.
Another factor is that the expulsion of the Gazans would be seen as a precedent for other new expulsions by Israel and would thus be opposed all the more fiercely by the Arab states and especially by their peoples.
Israel really has no good choices here: All of the outcomes will be costly, damaging, and malign for it. It is true that the ethnic cleansing of the Gaza Strip, if it could even really happen, would be an outrage, but the actual territory is tiny and not by itself "worth it" for Israel. Rather, it is the pushing back of the Palestinians farther away from the Israeli heartland that constitutes all that Israel would be looking for as a gain. But in the age of missiles, that would be a very small gain bought at a humongous price. Just as Hizbullah's arsenal grows stronger day by day simply because of technology, what with drones and missiles, etc., all of little Israel including Tel Aviv remains under threat, and would still remain under threat, so no wonder they are freaking out. Posted by: Cabe | Oct 14 2023 17:19 utc | 109
Re: A worthy comment ..
Posted by Dovetail Joint on October 14, 2023, 9:19 pm, in reply to "A worthy comment .."
I think the purpose of the Hamas attack was multi-faceted and not the work of barbaric terrorist madmen. One aspect was to destroy, forever, the idea that Israel was... 'Safe' beind its defences and could never be harmed, that the Palestinians were a beaten and totally subjugated people without the will or means to attack the Jewish state. That myth is shattered now. The Zionist dream has been turned into a nightmare.
It looks like the regime in Jerusalem new that someting was 'brewing' and calculated that they could turn this to their advantage by bringing the nation together again, under their leadership.
Maybe they knew something was brewing but didn't realise how bad it would get.
Or maybe certain actors did know but thought they could kill two birds with one stone. Get an excuse to genocide Gaza - and drop Bibi in it with the blame.
My money's still on intelligence failure, though, due to hubris and complacency.
Just posted from the Jimmy Dore Show. "Hamas didn't attack Israel. Under international law, Gaza is Israel as they are the occupying power.This was a slave revolt!" Points out that there are a million children in Gaza (Half of the population of what the Israeli defence minister calls 'human animals'), which is a significant number for Jews, as there were a million children killed in the holocaust.