>>success is how well do you finish with the equipment that you are driving<<

That is a good point and one I usually take into account. Funny I remember almost nothing about Jimmy other then blasting into the foam/fencing at the Glen and walking away!

I was just looking at Tony's stats....he had 11 wins but it appears he didn't get one till he was already established in Cup. I think. I remember at the time the guys off the Cup team I talked with a lot saying "he's a bust...typical open wheeler". Part of that was they knew I was a JA fan...but a few guys were not busting me over JA and really thought that. I just remember the hype over him at the time but not seeing many wins. But I don't know what type of cars he was getting for that time.