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Hobby Stoocks -Street Stocks

Posted by Larry Stoerkel <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/ovalracin/info/user=larry+stoerkel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 1, 2013, 5:35 pm

I was working on my new stock car as per the rules today. Started to order up a new rear end. Metric 9 ford full floating hubs. The total came to $2170.00 if I could hit the gear in 3 or less tries. Being a quick-change guy I checked price out for a QC Hum it was $1806.80 I then got to thinking what the hell is this class gone to and why not let the QC in too would save money. Now to my "Point" first not trying to stir-up a problem. I was wondering maybe I am looking at this wrong with the rules changing, classes changing, and me being out of tune with today’s racing? Maybe my old hobby stock that last raced Grants after HH, falls into the Courser Class and I don’t know it. Can a old school hobby stock race in the coursers with out to much cost over the other class. Mods is looking not so bad now. Good Luck everyone and will be out helping the 97sprint car this year. Rebuilding his engine so he will be ready for the first sprint race in may. Input is welcome but be nice no reason not to be.

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Posted by jay <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/ovalracin/info/user=jmpape' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 1, 2013, 9:10 pm, in reply to "Hobby Stoocks -Street Stocks"

Larry,

I don't think it will make that expensive rear end is necessary or will make you faster. I run a 6.89 final and you can put that together with a saginaw three speed and a chevy 10 bolt. The floater won't throw an axle, so consider c-clip eliminator's if you want the added safety. Hope that helps.

Jay

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Posted by Cameron <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/ovalracin/info/user=cameron+m' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 1, 2013, 9:27 pm, in reply to "Re: Hobby Stoocks -Street Stocks"

I get that you don't HAVE to put all this stuff in your car but I think that the class is starting to go the way of the olds duke city hollywood hills street stocks and look what happened to them they got out of hand and you could almost run an amod for the same price and look now they are practically extinct besides maybe 3 left in grants so how long till or class now goes the same direction... I ran the old street stocks I really enjoyed them I know what I'm talking about because I experienced it first hand and I don't want to do it again thats all.

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Posted by jay <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/ovalracin/info/user=jmpape' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 1, 2013, 11:03 pm, in reply to "Re: Hobby Stoocks -Street Stocks"

You'll be missed. Good luck.

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Posted by Cameron <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/ovalracin/info/user=cameron+m' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 1, 2013, 6:25 pm, in reply to "Hobby Stoocks -Street Stocks"

And thats exactly why I'm trying to trade my street stock for a mod of some sort I could probably spend just about the same rather then keep throwing more and more money in my stock car thats really only legal to race here and grants

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Posted by Larry Stoerkel <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/ovalracin/info/user=larry+stoerkel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 1, 2013, 11:30 pm, in reply to "Re: Hobby Stoocks -Street Stocks"

Thanks, you guys getting my point. The # dont lie, cost the same to install a QC as it does a 9" ford where you save the money is in the gear change. I dont have a problem with the chevy rear end I am using, I can get the final drive I need from it. I am trying to understand why not the QC too, if your going to add a big change like a full floater to a class add them both is the way I see it. If all was right in the world rules would be the same per class coast to coast and boarder to boarder.

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Posted by jay <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/ovalracin/info/user=jmpape' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 2, 2013, 6:58 am, in reply to "Re: Hobby Stoocks -Street Stocks"

No sense arguing the point.

I haven't heard an explanation for why the rule change was made. Ford 9" and QC give faster tuning, but at a large cost. I don't know if QC retains axles like a Ford 9" does, but as I said, if that is the explanation for change, a person can add c clip eliminators to your garden variety chevy 10 bolt. Like Cameron said, if costs get out of control for a beginner class, it only makes sense to spend the same money on a modified (X or A).

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Posted by Larry Stoerkel <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/ovalracin/info/user=larry+stoerkel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 2, 2013, 10:23 am, in reply to "Re: Hobby Stoocks -Street Stocks"

FYI the QC and the 9" full foater use the same hubs style maybe the same parts even, I would bet a A mod person could tell us more. (I so need to watch my spelling "Cruiser" oh well Old guy)

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Posted by Cameron <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/ovalracin/info/user=cameron+m' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 2, 2013, 8:43 am, in reply to "Re: Hobby Stoocks -Street Stocks"

Thank you for getting my point and nobody bashing me I still have the car and if I don't sell I plan on running it a few times I like stock cars its what I've ben in since I was 15 in 05 but at the same time if it gets out of hand I might as well move up and spend close to the same on a mod

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Posted by Larry Stoerkel <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/ovalracin/info/user=larry+stoerkel' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 2, 2013, 10:17 am, in reply to "Re: Hobby Stoocks -Street Stocks"

I understand looking into modified, X or A. I have seen used modified less engine and transmission go for less than this new rule changes. I don’t have a problem with the rule change that is not the point. Time I do the brake upgrade ($500) the bead-lock up grade ($300 same for mods) two gear changes ($1600 which wont change in X mods) the housing upgrade ($1000). I am looking of around $3500 in up grades for a class that could die? So I guess I too might jump ship switch to a class that is building and seems to be most part the same at every track. I always liked sprint for I could take my car anywhere and race it most the time just with a tire change, till the 305 popped up. So taking a hard look at the Hobby Stock-Street Stock-Pro Stock rules and it just may of tip the scale for me on returning to this class. Not easy to have a good racecar that needs (I know not a must) $3500 in upgrades. I say for my drivers it is a must when you add a bead-lock and a racing tire your going to hook up and then safety come in on a stock part that was not built for this. Thank God we are still free to make a choice in life HA!HA!HA! Anyway one of many things to think about.

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Posted by gguinn <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/ovalracin/info/user=gguinn' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 2, 2013, 10:04 am, in reply to "Re: Hobby Stoocks -Street Stocks"

Dollar for dollar you can't beat the X-Mods; I think I actually have a little less in my X-Mod than I did in the Stock Car. Now that being said, I do think that updating the rules to get every track on the same set of rules is a worthwhile venture. Likewise we shouldn’t always assume that because it’s legal that we have to have it. I think Jay is right and that a standard Chevy or Ford rear end will work just fine, I see no real need to run a floater, unless you already have one. The old Hobby Stocks should still be competitive with some upgrades, as long as you’re willing to spend the money.

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Posted by jay <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/ovalracin/info/user=jmpape' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 2, 2013, 9:50 pm, in reply to "Re: Hobby Stoocks -Street Stocks"

Real question is, are mods more fun than stock cars? They are easy to break, they are generally more expensive to fix, the cars are not or no faster. Hmmm. Anyone considering mods, I would say, make sure you consider all the factors.

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Posted by gguinn <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/ovalracin/info/user=gguinn' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 3, 2013, 8:44 am, in reply to "Re: Hobby Stoocks -Street Stocks"

Jay, I really don't think they are much faster if any but what I can say is the racing is just as fun as long as there are cars to race with, whether its for 1st or last you get two or three together for the same position its fun. What is more fun is being able to drastically change the handling on the car by making changes to the set-up at the track. I have 7 or 8 holes on one side that I could stick the trailing arm in and four on the other side, J-bars, pull bars, and of course everything that we could do on the stock cars as well. To me playing with the set-up is more fun in X-Mod. It is much faster and easier to work on most of it too. Now don't get me wrong, I think every driver should drive stock cars to cut their teeth, plus it's too much fun to miss out on.

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Posted by Joe S <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/ovalracin/info/user=joe+s' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 2, 2013, 10:26 am, in reply to "Re: Hobby Stoocks -Street Stocks"

I could not count the times I have seen this very scenario play out the past 30+ years! Primarily in the Door classes, but now in the Modifieds. A class with 25-30 cars, 15 of them want to go faster, so they allow this and that! Pretty soon that class of 25-30 cars becomes 15! Then another Low buck class starts up, Lots of cars....till they all want to go faster! Seems to happen in 6-8 year cycles!

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Posted by Cameron <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/ovalracin/info/user=cameron+m' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 2, 2013, 10:32 am, in reply to "Re: Hobby Stoocks -Street Stocks"

See what I'm talking about no wonder I can't seem to sell or trade mine off

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Posted by Julian Jr <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/ovalracin/info/user=jgarciajr' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 3, 2013, 1:26 pm, in reply to "Re: Hobby Stoocks -Street Stocks"

Cameron,
x mod would give prolly give you more bang for your buck. Though it seems A mod may be close to what your spending there are various hidden costs to an A mod you usually dont see until your in one. ie guys up here in aztec got 3500-4000 in shock packages alone, need a very good fuel system for alcohol plus a spare, mods burn up tires 2x faster, chassis bend easy, motor program gotta be decent at the least. X MOD deal is great to use as a step to a A mod or not (wish we had them in aztec) just a few things to be aware of before making the switch. If A mod is really what you want go for it! If its a switch just cuz the costs seem similar i would do x mod instead. Good luck whatever decision you decide.

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Posted by Joe S <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/ovalracin/info/user=joe+s' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 4, 2013, 8:36 pm, in reply to "Re: Hobby Stoocks -Street Stocks"

Julian, what are the differences in your Sportmods and the Xmods?

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Posted by Julian Jr <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/ovalracin/info/user=jgarciajr' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 5, 2013, 8:45 am, in reply to "Re: Hobby Stoocks -Street Stocks"

biggest difference is the full metric frame the southern sportmods have almost like a stock car with a modified body.

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Posted by Joe S <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/ovalracin/info/user=joe+s' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 5, 2013, 12:33 pm, in reply to "Re: Hobby Stoocks -Street Stocks"

This gets back to my post on another thread, why make these guys build a special chassis to run a Sportmods class? How many 10-12 year old McCulloghs or Jet chassis are sitting behind people's houses in the 4 corner area?

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Posted by CAMERON <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/ovalracin/info/user=cameron+m' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 5, 2013, 12:37 pm, in reply to "Re: Hobby Stoocks -Street Stocks"

Because aztec is imca and they have southern sport mods out here if I could trade my street stock for one I would run it here with the xmod class and any imca track around here too I think there a cool class just my opinion tho

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Posted by CAMERON <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/ovalracin/info/user=cameron+m' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 5, 2013, 11:35 am, in reply to "Re: Hobby Stoocks -Street Stocks"

Would they allow an xmod from here run with there sport mods for special shows such as the cancer race in october and others

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Posted by mychal <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/ovalracin/info/user=mychal' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 5, 2013, 9:55 am, in reply to "Re: Hobby Stoocks -Street Stocks"

And,
...they cost more too.

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Posted by mychal <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/ovalracin/info/user=mychal' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 3, 2013, 2:05 pm, in reply to "Re: Hobby Stoocks -Street Stocks"

Quote{wish we had them in Aztec}
Don't let the kool-aid brigade hear you say that out loud...
Imagine if Brett Root caught wind!?
X mods were introduced into Arizona...and promptly killed the ssm's in that state.
...Guess Root was none to happy bout that..

How's your TRE Xmod coming along?

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Posted by Julian Jr <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/ovalracin/info/user=jgarciajr' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 3, 2013, 2:36 pm, in reply to "Re: Hobby Stoocks -Street Stocks"

Slow haha I've been putting it off to finish the IMCA (kool-aid) car but hopefully put some more time in it this coming month try and finish it up.

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Posted by Joe S <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/ovalracin/info/user=joe+s' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 5, 2013, 4:46 pm, in reply to "Re: Hobby Stoocks -Street Stocks"

What are SSM's?

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