Took a look at those new spinfishers today and saw the whole range those 10500SSV's are bohemouths but was mainly looking at the 6500 and 7500 both in the live liner and the plain ones totally like them and the 6500 or a 7500 would be ideal for my rod balance wise as my fin nor surf rod only weighs about 1KG have found a 6500 and a 7500 new on TM for under $200 each before shipping (wish i spotted them before dropping $150 on the shimano Aerlex), both of those models are ideal as I do not need any more than 300 meters of mono anyway more than that would be overkill for beach and rock fishing unless i wanted a 25kg dedicated live baiting rig for really big kingis which the big huas in the series V line up would be ideal for. Also had a nosey at those alliance reels out of curiosity was not impressed with them at all.