Very true Gary, since i have joined this message board I have found myself putting things on my traces I thought I would never do such as small pink octy skirts, lumo tube, beads and floats and they seem to do the job pretty good now just to see if i can get that big moocher who hit my line last week on my next trip out after doing a bit of reviewing of my traces and increased size of my hooks and added keeper hooks I think I am ready for him this time (I hope).