Very true Hangler but I could not wait we wanted fish tonight so the other half did a mighty fine job baking it in the oven and served it up with a nice salad from our vege garden along with some chips from our local takeaway. My opinion of the penn prevail is I like it the rod is way more comfortable for me to cast than my fin - nor and as for the shimano ultegra I would love to get a second one but I have other priorities I must attend to first before tackle acquisition syndrome bites again.