hi, thanks for the replies,

all i got so far as i was a quick look on friday was what iv said. nothing has been changed as far as hes told me, most of the garages didnt want to look at it. yes i got a scope an ive done now tests bar a code read and as i said the starter as it wasnt even turning over.

i was thinking along the lines of crank sensor as this is at the base of the engine an poss got messed up in the puddle. just was hoping for more clarification on the DF codes as iv never seen them before. . there is no spark at all, and thats all i know until i get it again next week.

so will be going back to basics next week an pulling the old scope out.

thanks mike