The interviewer doesn't give him time: "Can you please tell us why you believe you see the end of zionism?" (Paraphrasing) "You have less than a minute".

And yet she indicates that they spoke earlier. So, surely she knew what he knew. So, let him share it with us, for God's sake. Goodman just goes from bad to worse.

All he really gets to say is he's "really hopeful".

Well, we're all really hopeful! But I'm not terribly optimistic.

Pappé is well respected but credentials alone are not enough.

I want to see some evidence.

That's the question for everybody who declares 'we are witnessing the end of zionism'. Where's the evidence?

Damn fool interviewer.