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IIsraeli Historian Ilan Pappé on Interrogation at U.S. Airport and “Collapse of the Zionist Project”

Posted by t <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=TomskiD' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 21, 2024, 9:39 pm

Apols re Dem Now etc. Ilan Pappé, like I, thinks the zionist project is over.

RT: Kremlin comments on US reaction to ICC targeting Netanyahu

Posted by t <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=TomskiD' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 21, 2024, 11:16 pm, in reply to "IIsraeli Historian Ilan Pappé on Interrogation at U.S. Airport and “Collapse of the Zionist Project”"

https://swentr.site/news/597987-kremlin-reacts-icc-warrants/

Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov has expressed surprise over Washington’s harsh reaction to the International Criminal Court’s (ICC) motion seeking arrest warrants for the Israeli prime minister and defense chief.

The ICC’s top prosecutor, Karim Khan, requested the warrants for Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Yoav Gallant on Monday. He stated that there were “reasonable grounds to believe” that the top officials were guilty of “war crimes and crimes against humanity” in the Gaza conflict. Khan also said he is seeking warrants for three senior members of Hamas.

“The situation is more than curious with the attitude of the United States, and its readiness to use sanctions methods even in relation to the ICC… Very interesting,” Peskov told reporters on Tuesday.

The spokesman noted that Russia does not recognize ICC decisions, but is “carefully observing” the developments.

Both Israel and its main ally, the US, have condemned the ICC announcement, with President Joe Biden denouncing it on Monday as “outrageous.”

Netanyahu branded the decision by the ICC prosecutor “absurd,” claiming it “undermines every democracy’s right to defend itself.” He also noted that the court has “no jurisdiction over Israel.”

US Secretary of State Antony Blinken said Washington “fundamentally rejects” the “shameful” attempt to equate Israel with Hamas.

Senator Lindsey Graham went further, pledging on Monday in a post on X (formerly Twitter) to “feverishly” work with lawmakers in both chambers to “levy damning sanctions against the ICC.”

Israel is not a member of the ICC and does not recognize the jurisdiction of the court, but the State of Palestine joined the organization in 2015. The US was one of the creators of the ICC, but Congress never ratified the Rome Statute. Russia, China, India, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia and dozens of other countries also do not accept the court’s jurisdiction.

However, some 124 countries around the globe have signed and ratified the Rome Statute, including all EU member states and all candidates, except Ukraine and Türkiye. If warrants against Netanyahu and Gallant are issued, it could severely complicate the Israeli leader’s ability to travel abroad.

I find Pappe's prediction re Zionism way to hopeful and optimistic. Who agrees --

Posted by scrabb <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=scrabb' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 22, 2024, 3:36 pm, in reply to "RT: Kremlin comments on US reaction to ICC targeting Netanyahu"

-- with him or with me?

Re: I find Pappe's prediction re Zionism way to hopeful and optimistic. Who agrees --

Posted by t <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=TomskiD' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 22, 2024, 7:30 pm, in reply to "I find Pappe's prediction re Zionism way to hopeful and optimistic. Who agrees --"

I find Pappe's prediction re Zionism way to hopeful and optimistic. Who agrees -- with him or with me?

I am coming to the same conclusion as Pappe. Apart from the fact that this genocide is morally reprehensible for most of the world, Israel has internally become a pressure cooker and US hegemony in decline.

When someone like Colin Powell's Chief of Staff, Col. Lawrence Wilkerson considers the end of Jewish state is on the horizon, I sit up and listen: Posted today by Nima (LW said that @ 43:50):

@ 43:50? Nope. The interview itself ends at 43.50.

Posted by Der <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Der' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 23, 2024, 9:18 am, in reply to "Re: I find Pappe's prediction re Zionism way to hopeful and optimistic. Who agrees --"

I haven't listened to it. I headed straight for 43.50 and fell right off the end of the cliff.

Typo. Approx 41:50 nm

Posted by t <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=TomskiD' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 23, 2024, 2:43 pm, in reply to "@ 43:50? Nope. The interview itself ends at 43.50."

Thanks, t. But again no evidence. Just beliefs and expectations. nm

Posted by Der <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Der' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 23, 2024, 5:27 pm, in reply to "Typo. Approx 41:50 nm"

Thanks. Not sure what evidence would be available except for the analysis of the current situation .

Posted by t <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=TomskiD' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 23, 2024, 10:48 pm, in reply to "Thanks, t. But again no evidence. Just beliefs and expectations. nm"

.. these are knowledgeable pundits either from the past US admin or from academia that are capable of assessing the political etc. cross currents in Israel itself and the world at large. Otherwise one would have to wait until the zionist project collapses to have the full-proof fact. The way scrabb posed the question was in fact an opinion, and my answer was an opinion. Simples. Cheers.

Maybe it's time to dust off Diamond and Tainter again to see what are the cracks to look out for.

Posted by Der <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Der' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 23, 2024, 11:52 pm, in reply to "Thanks. Not sure what evidence would be available except for the analysis of the current situation ."

Though, IIRC, they, (Jared, anyway) tend to talk about environmental collapse. So, not sure there's anything in that for us, regarding Israel. Apart from the blindness in the entire society.

Do let me know what comes up with dusting off, ta. But, as you say ..

Posted by t <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=TomskiD' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 24, 2024, 11:52 pm, in reply to "Maybe it's time to dust off Diamond and Tainter again to see what are the cracks to look out for."

.. there probably ain't much to work with regarding Israel from that perspective, unless I misunderstood you. Israel has lost imo. Massively. The damage has been done.

In addition ..

Posted by t <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=TomskiD' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 23, 2024, 12:26 am, in reply to "I find Pappe's prediction re Zionism way to hopeful and optimistic. Who agrees --"

Prof. John Mearsheimer: How Will the War in Gaza End? .. argues that Israel Lobby in the US is destroying Israel .. @ roughly 00:38:00. I 'watch' all these arguments but haven't the time to articulate + get all my ducks in the row. Don't watch if you haven't the time. C'est la vie

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I'd like to hear a lil' counter-argument pls if at all possible hehe.

He doesn't get to describe what "the processes" he detects suggesting zionism breakdown are.

Posted by Der <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Der' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 23, 2024, 9:11 am, in reply to "I find Pappe's prediction re Zionism way to hopeful and optimistic. Who agrees --"

The interviewer doesn't give him time: "Can you please tell us why you believe you see the end of zionism?" (Paraphrasing) "You have less than a minute".

And yet she indicates that they spoke earlier. So, surely she knew what he knew. So, let him share it with us, for God's sake. Goodman just goes from bad to worse.

All he really gets to say is he's "really hopeful".

Well, we're all really hopeful! But I'm not terribly optimistic.

Pappé is well respected but credentials alone are not enough.

I want to see some evidence.

That's the question for everybody who declares 'we are witnessing the end of zionism'. Where's the evidence?

Damn fool interviewer.

Re: He doesn't get to describe what "the processes" he detects suggesting zionism breakdown are.

Posted by Keith-264 <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Keith-264' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on May 23, 2024, 9:17 am, in reply to "He doesn't get to describe what "the processes" he detects suggesting zionism breakdown are."

Shortage of time is the western equivalent of 'shut it!'.

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