'Unlikely to happen until during or after the 'collapse', if at all. Unfortunately.' - I'd agree that it's unlikely to succeed until the dominant culture is well on its way down and no longer able to destroy those efforts. Another way to look at it is that a move back to that kind of subsistence economy is precisely what collapse is all about, per the Tainter analysis anyway*, ie: a reduction in societal complexity when the previous high levels of complexity can no longer be sustained due to diminishing returns. Eventually it could well be a factor that precipitates collapse, if enough people defect from the system that it no longer has a big enough tax base or pool of wage slaves. But I'm starting to think that we're going to have to make it happen rather than waiting for accidents of history to shove us in that direction.

Some related thoughts in the context of Scotland and the concept of 'opening the map': https://tinyurl.com/55zcfhn2 Also, obligatory reminder that this isn't a new idea:





cheers,
I

* - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Tainter