Re: Brexit Poll Archived Message Posted by dovetailjoint on February 7, 2019, 6:48 pm, in reply to "Re: Brexit Poll" Supposedly, in normal times, which these are clearly not; Labour should be ahead of the Tories by 10% or 15%. I think this poll overestimates the Tory lead. A lot can happen during the election campaign, as it did last time. If the Manchester bombing hadn't happened, leading to a break, Labour would probably have caught up with the Tories and 'won.' Corbyn has many faults, no, that's not right. He lacks certain qualities, but he has others; like tactical ability and a quite determination. He isn't a colourful leader and perhaps that's what's needed now, someone who's at least competent and sees a little beyond their own self-interest. One has to remember that Brexit, the Referendum wasn't called by Labour. It's not their baby. It was called because of deep cracks in the Conservative Party and Cameron thought it was good way of asserting his 'centerist' stance and crushing the Tory rightwing for a generation. Only it didn't work out that way. Since then Brexit has been about keeping the ascendent Tory nationalist rightwing in the party and stopping a split, which might destroy the Tories and lead to a complete realignment of British politics. Essentially May has been fighting to hold the Tory Party together over the last two or so, and not really negotiating with Europe at all. The primary objective hasn't been Brexit on good terms, but Brexit that would satisfy the Tory Party's nationalist rightwing and the DUP. And as we get closer to the date, this strategy becomes all there is. Party before country. Class before everyone else and keeping Labour and Corbyn out of Downing Street. The rest is just political theatre. Corbyn is playing his hand intelligently now. Proposing a customs union that pretty much has the backing of an awful lot of MP's, probably a majority. Corbyn is now closer to the rest of Europe than May is. This is significant, because it could mean a very, very, soft Brexit with as little structural damage to the economy as possible. May's task now is to stop Parliament voting for Labour's plan at all costs, because if a majority voted for it, the majority that's against a hard, destructive, Brexit... her party splits and the nationalist right lose their position of power and influence. Message Thread: Brexit Poll - Tomski February 7, 2019, 5:05 pm Re: Brexit Poll - Ken Waldron February 7, 2019, 6:09 pm Re: Brexit Poll - dovetailjoint February 7, 2019, 6:48 pm Jeremy Corbyn's Brexit plan 'promising', Donald Tusk tells Theresa May - Ken Waldron February 7, 2019, 7:09 pm Re: Jeremy Corbyn's Brexit plan 'promising', Donald Tusk tells Theresa May - dovetailjoint February 7, 2019, 7:18 pm Re: Jeremy Corbyn's Brexit plan 'promising', Donald Tusk tells Theresa May - dovetailjoint February 7, 2019, 7:23 pm Stuctural damage? - Keith-264 February 7, 2019, 7:43 pm Re: Stuctural damage? - Ken Waldron February 7, 2019, 8:23 pm Re: Stuctural damage? - dovetailjoint February 7, 2019, 8:59 pm Re: Stuctural damage? - dovetailjoint February 7, 2019, 9:34 pm "Labour is far more united than the Tories"! - Keith-264 February 8, 2019, 7:30 pm I forgot, you lost and can't get over it - Keith-264 February 8, 2019, 7:22 pm That's fine: "winning" apparently lead to nowhere aside from verbal repetition compulsion . nm - Ken Waldron February 8, 2019, 9:10 pm You can have the last word again....nm - Keith-264 February 9, 2019, 7:19 pm No you can't - Keith-264 February 9, 2019, 8:10 pm p.s. I left you the last word on our previous three direct exchanges. - Ken Waldron February 9, 2019, 11:06 pm Another repeat? Here you are then: "Yawn." nm - Ken Waldron February 9, 2019, 7:56 pm Gaslighting? - Keith-264 February 11, 2019, 11:38 pm Re: Brexit Poll - Myleftfoot February 8, 2019, 1:46 am Re: Brexit Poll - dovetailjoint February 8, 2019, 6:31 am   Searching