- Re: Oh Dear, Not again, what's the matter with you, Rhisiart????? Archived Message
Posted by John Monro
on May 24, 2019, 12:13 pm, in reply to "Beeb w horing for Big Pharma again this AM: "Shockhorrorstorm! A whole feckin' 1000 mumps cases this"
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Rhisiart, you're a great contributor to this site, but when it comes to discussions on immunisation, you seem to radioing in from another planet. MMR does make a good profit, but for many years vaccine manufacture hardly broke even. There is a good case to be made for government intervention in pricing, because only Merck now produce MMR, so as a monopoly producer, there's no effective competition. However for you to so blithely, and I'm afraid, so ignorantly, rant in your almost unintelligible language really gets my goat. Actually your generation didn't "sail" through measles. It really is a miserable disease, children are totally felled by the virus whilst symptomatic, taking weeks to recuperate, indeed a good proportion may take several years to regain immunological robustness, making them prone to many other infections in the interim. Even in rich countries measles causes about one death per 5,000 cases, in poorer parts of the world one death in every hundred. Additionally many children will be ill enough to require expensive and prolonged hospitalisation, Measles also causes a particularly nasty incurable degenerative brain disorder called subacute sclerosing panencephalitis. About 1 in 1,000 infants infected with measles might develop this but more rarely in older children. It has been calculated. Immunisation has probably saved about 20 million cases of the illness and about 2,500 deaths in the UK alone. Around the world the figures will be vastly greater. Over a hundred children have died in Europe in the two years 2016 and 2017 with totally preventable measles. Measles is probably the most infectious viral illness of all, and requires around a 95% immunisation rate to prevent its spread in the community. And your "solution" to measles is allow every child to catch it, or even encourage its spread?? That's dangerous, actually lethal, quackery. Just to remind you how your peers "sailed" through measles, I don't know exactly how old you are, but assuming you're my age, I was born in 1946, in the first five years of my life 1946-1950, 1703 people, almost all children, died of measles in the UK. Many tens of thousands would have had a serious illness and been very unwell indeed. As around 1.5 million case of measles were recorded during this time, it would have been likely there would have been over 400 cases of SSPE. Read up about SSPE and tell me how the child and parents might sail through this particular problem. I wish I could wind the clock back, Rhisiart, so you could tell the parents of these dead children how well they'd been sailing. You'd be given a well deserved thumping. As for mumps, a rather milder illness but tell that to the older teenager or adult who suffer some very painful testicular swelling. It also causes pancreatitis and meningitis, though these usually settle. But it can cause serious encephalitis and permanent deafness. It may not be a killer virus, but it is not trivial, and an immunisation will totally prevent it. Rubella, a relatively innocuous viral infection, but if contracted during pregnancy causing serious birth defects. Around the world 100,000 children are born each year with severe birth defects due to rubella. A well funded and effective immunisation programme should prevent every single case. No child should have to suffer congenital defect for the failure of their negligent parent or grandparents to have their mum immunised. Rhisiart, your concern about the cost of some vaccines and profiteering are not without merit, but to then suggest the solution to this matter is to do away with this vaccination programme altogether is neither logical nor humane, your attitude really diminishes you in my estimation. I've left this board before when so many here seem to share the same distorted understanding, because I can't believe I'd regularly be communicating with so many silly people. Yet many posting here regularly criticise the anti-science of global warming deniers, quite rightly, this is no different I don't particularly wish to see vaccination made compulsory, it hasn't been necessary up to now, because parents have been happy to accept the expert and reassuring advice from medical professionals, but if you and people like you are successful in persuading enough concerned parents to fail to immunise their children, then compulsory immunisation may have to be introduced in order to protect the wider population, and I for one would support it. In which case, you'd be the one to blame, not the authorities. Del Bigtree and Andrew Wakefield are discredited charlatans, and they have blood on their hands. Del Bigtree has no qualifications in medicine, so he's not even qualified enough to be called a quack.As for Andrew Wakefield, the so-called medical researcher who was rightly struck off for his lies and deceptions, he doesn't seem to have learned anything from this experience, so he should be prosecuted for endangering public safety, and made to shut up or go to prison. And if you take my words personally, I can't help that, I don't really know you, and at your age you should be able to take a few knocks on the chin, may be they might even cause you to have a rethink - but I doubt it. I suspect you'll never change your mind, you haven't over many years of contributing to these pages, and your uninformed prejudice will die with you. But for some odd reason I actually value your other comments, if not related to immunisation or 9/11, so please, please, please, just don't ever post again about either of these matters. Cheers, John Monro. |