Re: Waiting on the Femsplainers branding it "toxic masculinity"... Archived Message
Posted by Sinister Burt on August 13, 2021, 9:35 pm, in reply to "Re: Waiting on the Femsplainers branding it "toxic masculinity"..."
"Well I appreciate you are using the term generally and that my criticism is of the specific thing being sold to us by the media as "toxic masculinity": a pathogenic hatred of women they claim to be deeply inculcated in our society which results in murderous outbursts against women. " I've never heard toxic masculinity described as such - that sounds more like a definition of misogyny - I've only ever heard it described like I did above - sort of illustrated in that cringe Gillette advert that got so many reactionaries frothing a couple of years back. Lets check Keith's favourite: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxic_masculinity "The concept of toxic masculinity is used in academic and media discussions of masculinity to refer to certain cultural norms that are associated with harm to society and men themselves. Traditional stereotypes of men as socially dominant, along with related traits such as misogyny and homophobia, can be considered "toxic" due in part to their promotion of violence, including sexual assault and domestic violence. The socialization of boys in patriarchal societies often normalizes violence, such as in the saying "boys will be boys" about bullying and aggression. Self-reliance and emotional repression are correlated with increased psychological problems in men such as depression, increased stress, and substance use disorders. Toxic masculine traits are characteristic of the unspoken code of behavior among men in prisons, where they exist in part as a response to the harsh conditions of prison life. Other traditionally masculine traits such as devotion to work, pride in excelling at sports, and providing for one's family, are not considered to be "toxic". The concept was originally used by authors associated with the mythopoetic men's movement such as Shepherd Bliss to contrast stereotypical notions of masculinity with a "real" or "deep" masculinity that they say men have lost touch within modern society. Critics of the term argue that its meaning incorrectly implies that gender-related issues are caused by inherent male traits.[1] The concept of toxic masculinity, or certain formulations of it, has been criticized by some conservatives as an undue condemnation of traditional masculinity, and by some feminists as an essentialist concept that ignores the role of choice and context in causing harmful behaviors and attitudes related to masculinity." Seems fair to me - I've never liked all that macho shit once I was older than about 11. I take your partner's knowledge on board of course (I have some experience of this in work too). I have had students who had a ASD diagnosis and were a bit 'incel' - I've had ones with no diagnosis who had similar views too though. The worst one who was mild aspergers, I'd feel uncomfortable with telling him that he didn't understand what he was reading on these forums, or that what he was thinking/feeling was different for him because he was Asperger's - he was quite intelligent, and in some ways more socially able than many of my non-diagnosed students - but he was saying fruity enough stuff that he might have got shopped to prevent (not done a mass killing yet that I've heard of, touch wood).
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- Waiting on the Femsplainers branding it "toxic masculinity"... - Ken Waldron August 13, 2021, 2:01 pm
- Re: Waiting on the Femsplainers branding it "toxic masculinity"... - Sinister Burt August 13, 2021, 4:55 pm
- It's the gender discrimination which makes terms like that objectionable - Keith-264 August 13, 2021, 5:43 pm
- Re: Waiting on the Femsplainers branding it "toxic masculinity"... - Ken Waldron August 13, 2021, 6:16 pm
- Re: Waiting on the Femsplainers branding it "toxic masculinity"... - Sinister Burt August 13, 2021, 6:26 pm
- Re: Waiting on the Femsplainers branding it "toxic masculinity"... - Ken Waldron August 13, 2021, 6:47 pm
- Re: Waiting on the Femsplainers branding it "toxic masculinity"... - Sinister Burt August 13, 2021, 7:17 pm
- Re: Waiting on the Femsplainers branding it "toxic masculinity"... - Ken Waldron August 13, 2021, 8:28 pm
- Re: Waiting on the Femsplainers branding it "toxic masculinity"... - Sinister Burt August 13, 2021, 9:35 pm
- Re: Waiting on the Femsplainers branding it "toxic masculinity"... - Focus August 13, 2021, 9:50 pm
- Re: Waiting on the Femsplainers branding it "toxic masculinity"... - Ken Waldron August 13, 2021, 9:55 pm
- Britain isn't a patriarchal society....nm - Keith-264 August 14, 2021, 3:45 am
- Re: Waiting on the Femsplainers branding it "toxic masculinity"... - Gerard August 15, 2021, 10:38 am
- Domesticity.. - Gerard August 16, 2021, 11:52 am
- Incel?....nm - Keith-264 August 13, 2021, 9:21 pm
- I think it's progress, if true, that females at least, arent supporting these toxicities any longer - Focus August 13, 2021, 7:29 pm
- Re: Mass shooting in Plymouth - Mark Doran August 13, 2021, 2:25 pm
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