- Re: Wasnt so long ago we had the Gruniad... Archived Message
Posted by Sinister Burt
on March 29, 2023, 3:12 pm, in reply to "Wasnt so long ago we had the Gruniad..."
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We can talk about all of them though - understanding the effects of patriarchy, toxic masculinity, gender identity issues and autism when relevant - it's not a zero sum game (also, the autism etc and the medication often associated with these shootings is often mentioned by 'lefties' in articles about this in my experience, more than toxic masculinity (maybe i'm not reading enough of them)). If you don't think toxic masculinity exists, maybe you never had any blokes making themselves ill by drinking/drugging/fighting too much, being egged on by, or trying to impress 'the boys' in your circle of friends (i was always the hippy saying, 'if you don't want to do that you shouldn't do it just cos these muppets are making fun of you') - i've had friends die, effectively from toxic masculinity (or just male stupidity if you like). It shouldn't really need me to add: none of that means masculinity itself is inherently toxic - nobody says that (that's fox news-level straw man rhetoric). "The real issue is that people with Autism-Aspergers simply do not have the same ability to empathise with others..." - that's not quite correct afaik - there's a spectrum (obviously) but the common idea that autistic people don't understand empathy or other people's emotions is a bit of a myth, and is not how we're told to understand autism these days, including by autistic people (we were told they prefer this phrasing to 'people with autism' too - accounting for how people want to be referred to? how woke!)) - it's a bit more varied than that, but generally it's not that they lack empathy, but maybe they have difficulty expressing it, which is very different (for them anyway). When talking about autism, i've been told (i had a recent 'training' session about this fwiw) that multiple 'conditions' are the norm not the exception (i can't remember the wording they used) - so if a person is autistic they are very likely to have other issues (dyslexia/dyspraxia, various mental health issues etc) - this could extend to issues regarding differing gender identities too, whatever you think they're based on, without necessarily attributing causation either way. https://psychcentral.com/autism/autism-and-empathy |