Re: It was the same government that sent troops to massacre the Malaysian freedom fighters, and the same Archived Message Posted by Keith-264 on September 28, 2023, 8:02 am, in reply to "It was the same government that sent troops to massacre the Malaysian freedom fighters, and the same" The 1906 government proved its liberalism by basing employment insurance on the contributory principle which for poor people meant only a pittance since wages were so low. The real origin of the welfare state for poor people was the Battle of the Somme, when the British boss class realised that the workers were necessary to uphold the balance of European power. After the war social insurance was extended and whenever the money ran out a contrivance kept social insurance going. The Beveridge report was the usual liberal crap of taxing poor people to pay for their own benefits, which trapped the proposals in the usual paradox of derisory benefits, hence the continuation of state subsidisation to make working class benefits just about adequate. The amount of money going to poor people reached a peak in 1929 and didn't return to it until the early 1970s, when state propaganda about workers pricing themselves out of jobs began to get louder and louder. Callaghan in 1976 and Thatchler 1979-1981 changed all that.... Message Thread: Brand speaks - Ian M September 26, 2023, 6:44 pm Re: Brand speaks - Dovetail Joint September 26, 2023, 7:10 pm Good patter : ) - t September 26, 2023, 8:11 pm Monbiot remains unimpressed - Ian M September 26, 2023, 9:35 pm Absolutely. Well said! - t September 26, 2023, 9:52 pm Re: Absolutely. Well said! - scrabb September 26, 2023, 10:37 pm 'ta :) - Ian M September 26, 2023, 11:48 pm Re: 'ta :) - Dovetail Joint September 27, 2023, 6:17 am Liarbour has never been radical anything....nm - Keith-264 September 27, 2023, 9:33 am Not sure if you are looking for moon beams or such ? : - t September 27, 2023, 10:20 pm I guess ... one of the first will do : ) - t September 27, 2023, 10:49 pm That was the new Poor Law 1834. . . . nm - Keith-264 September 27, 2023, 11:35 pm It was the same government that sent troops to massacre the Malaysian freedom fighters, and the same - Laurie September 28, 2023, 12:56 am Re: It was the same government that sent troops to massacre the Malaysian freedom fighters, and the same - Keith-264 September 28, 2023, 8:02 am -Good summary. nm. - Ken Waldron September 28, 2023, 1:55 pm David Edgerton is eloquent on the subject - Keith-264 September 28, 2023, 2:04 pm I see .. - t September 28, 2023, 3:06 pm   Searching