I know the evidence of the crime is undeniable and arrests should be made, but the standard is that an individual stands accused until evidence is presented in a court of law.
(I know I won’t be popular for saying this, but it doesn’t detract from the gravity of the report).
Re: Accused rapists.
Posted by Keith-264 on July 30, 2024, 6:23 pm, in reply to "Accused rapists."
I quite agree, if we sink to the level of a judicial lynch mob we're as bad as the guilty.The last working-class hero in England.
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Posted by RaskolnikovX on July 30, 2024, 7:19 pm, in reply to "Accused rapists."
Fair point.
Having said that, how low can they go? After nine months (to take the short view) of endless atrocity and depravity, you think they've bottomed out but then they just show they can sink even lower.
When there's some kind of reckoning for all this the truth of what they've done will be enough for 10,000 Nurembergs....no amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party...So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin.
Posted by johnlilburne on July 30, 2024, 9:37 pm, in reply to "Accused rapists."
As I thought was obvious, I was not passing comment on the guilt or otherwise of these particular soldiers.
I was passing comment on the wider debate that seems to be going on in Israeli society (including in the Knesset) on whether rape is a legitimate method - for whatever end - to be used on the bodies of Palestinian prisoners.
That such a 'debate' is even happening just points up the moral degeneracy and racist character of Israeli society.
Posted by Keith-264 on July 31, 2024, 6:23 pm, in reply to "Re: Accused rapists."
I didn't infer that you wanted summary punishment (as if they will face justice from zionists). I thought that the point was that they should be subject to the rule of law.The last working-class hero in England.
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How low can they go? Clearly borrowing phraseology from the IDF, even quoted in the piece. No such hesitation over Israeli claims of systematic mass rape of civilians by Hamas.
Israeli protesters enter army base after soldiers held over Gaza detainee abuse
Protesters including MPs from Israel's governing coalition gathered at the Sde Teiman base Mark Lowen BBC News, Jerusalem
29 July 2024
Warning: this story contains a description of alleged sexual abuse.
Israeli far-right protesters broke into an army base in a show of support for soldiers accused of severely mistreating a Palestinian prisoner there.
Large crowds gathered outside the Sde Teiman compound after Israeli military police entered it to detain the reservists, who are now subject to an official investigation.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu released a statement strongly condemning the incident and calling for “an immediate calming of passions”.
Protesters also broke into a second military base, where the reservists were taken for questioning, but a police spokeswoman said officers were able to clear it.
Sde Teiman, near Beersheba in southern Israel, has for months been at the centre of reports of serious abuses against Gazan detainees.
According to local media reports, at least nine Israeli soldiers at the base are accused of abusing the Palestinian detainee, a suspected Hamas fighter who was captured in Gaza.
He is said to have been hospitalised after what Israeli media reports describe as serious sexual abuse and injuries to his anus that left him unable to walk.
The Israeli military said its advocate general had ordered an inquiry “following suspected substantial abuse of a detainee”.
The West Bank-based Palestinian Authority's (PA) Commission of Detainees Affairs called on the international community to urgently intervene by carrying out an UN-mandated investigation.
Gazans ‘shackled and blindfolded’ at Israel hospital
On Monday dozens of protesters, including far-right MPs from Israel's governing coalition, burst through the base's gate as others tried to scale the fence, chanting “we will not abandon our friends, certainly not for terrorists”.
Some soldiers at the base reportedly used pepper spray against the military police personnel who arrived to detain the reservists.
Israeli military Chief of Staff Lt Gen Herzi Halevi said the break-in at Sde Tieman was "extremely serious and against the law".
"We are in the midst of a war, and actions of this type endanger the security of the state," he said.
"I strongly condemn the incident, and we are working to restore order at the base."
Benjamin Netanyahu has called for calm after Israeli protesters broke into two military bases in support of army reservists accused of abusing a Palestinian prisoner
Demonstrators also entered the Beit Lid military base in central Israel where the accused reservists were taken for questioning.
Defence Minister, Yoav Gallant, said the investigation into the soldiers’ conduct must be allowed to continue, adding “even in times of anger, the law applies to everyone”.
However some Israeli politicians have condemned the arrest of the reservists. Itamar Ben-Gvir, the far-right national security minister, called their detention “nothing less than shameful”.
Since the 7 October Hamas attack, Israeli authorities have rounded up and held thousands of Palestinians, often without legal representation.
The BBC has previously spoken to medical workers at a field hospital set up in Sde Teiman, who alleged that detainees have been blindfolded, permanently shackled to their beds, and made to wear nappies rather than having access to a toilet.
Last month, Israel’s Haaretz newspaper published allegations made by a doctor at Sde Teiman that leg amputations had been carried out on two prisoners, because of cuffing injuries. The BBC has not independently verified the claims.
Detainees there have told journalists and United Nations officials that they were beaten and attacked. The Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) have denied systematic abuse.
Many Gazans detained by Israel’s army are released without charge after interrogation. Amnesty International this month called on Israel to end the indefinite detention of Gaza Palestinians and what it called "rampant torture" in its prisons.Tell your story; Ask a question; Interpret generously http://storybythethroat.wordpress.com/tell-ask-listen/
it really is astonishing just how sick and depraved the Western media class is. It is an established fact that Israelis systematically mass rape Palestinian children, boys, girls, men and women in their dungeons. But instead of using the term rape, the BBC and rest of the media class are laundering this actual systematic mass rape by just describing it as one individual case of a person being "severely mistreated".
And it's never stated as a fact, but merely an "accusation", an "allegation".
To the Western media class, Israelis who are proven systematic mass rapists by the UN, countless testimonies including in Israeli outlets as well as top US officials and human rights organizations, can't rape. They are incapable of raping.
These are the same depraved scum who all fabricated and laundered the "mass rape" atrocity propaganda hoax with utter glee, stating it as fact to this very day when it is been entirely debunked. The BBC's mass rape hoax piece is in the first google results, and it includes lines about fetuses cut from wombs, nails and knives inserted into vaginas, broken pelvises, all proven to be hoaxes. Zero corrections on that, no retraction. It's fact now to the media class.
The genocidal depravity of these scum knows no limits. And I always make sure to include the names of the authors of these propaganda pieces. @marklowen and @LucyWilliamson are responsible for this. Never forget that.
here is a top US official confirming Israel rapes Palestinian children. There were zero Western media reports on this. Literally zero. You're not allowed to report that Israelis actually systematically mass rape Palestinians. Only rape hoaxes are allowed
☀️👀@zei_squirrel 4 Dec 2023 BREAKING: Josh Paul, senior State Department official for many years, says he raised the horrific case of a 13 year old Palestinian boy raped by Israeli forces. The regime responded by shutting the charity that reported it. Israel is mass raping Palestinian children
here is just one of the many direct eyewitness testimonies from Palestinians on the systematic mass rape in Israeli dungeons. Again, not a single Western media report on this. Not one. You can't find a single one Mohammed El-Kurd @m7mdkurd 30 Nov 2023 A Palestinian who was just released from Israeli prisons testifies that the Zionist regime is subjecting Palestinian political prisoners to brutal treatment, including sexual assault and rape.
Haaretz, Israel's main paper, reporting on systematic mass rape of Palestinians in Israeli dungeons. But the BBC, CNN, NYT, AP, Reuters, Washington Post, Guardian did not report on it. That's not allowed. The Israel lobby and Zionist editors don't allow it
☀️👀 @zei_squirrel Apr 29 Haaretz earlier today: "Palestinian Released From Israeli Prison Describes Beatings, Sexual Abuse and Torture". zero mention in the New York Times, BBC, Guardian, as they keep laundering the "mass rape" hoax
more from top US officials saying Israel systematically mass rapes Palestinian women, girls, boys and men. Once again zero reporting on it in any Western media outlet
☀️👀 @zei_squirrel Mar 24 BREAKING: A senior US State Department official has confirmed that the Israeli regime and military are systematically raping Palestinian women. This has shocked the genocidal Israeli regime who demanded they not say this publicly and are now trying to get her fired
here is the UN Human Rights Council in its recent report as well as in February documenting and concluding that Israel engages in planned, intentional systematic mass rape of Palestinian babies, children, girls, boys, women and men. Zero reporting on it
☀️👀@zei_squirrel Jun 13 BREAKING: The UN Human Rights Council in February and its report published yesterday concludes there is intentional, planned and systematic Israeli kidnapping, rape, sexual violence, torture and mutilation of Palestinian babies, children, women and men. Thread detailing all this:
the NYT, Guardian and others did write about that UN report, but how did they write about it? Exactly like the BBC and all of them do today: Rape-launder actual Israeli systematic mass rape, erase it from view, then lie about it for the "mass rape" hoax:
☀️👀@zei_squirrel Jun 14 I want to give a demonstration of how the media, in this particular case the New York Times, fabricates and launders genocidal atrocity propaganda intentionally.
This really does epitomize the depravity of the Western media class.
In its piece on the latest UN report the New York Times uses the term "sexual violence" 10 times. Let's see how they use it to carefully construct a propaganda lie as a way of laundering their own "mass rape" hoax, even though they have to begrudgingly admit later in the piece, for the first time they have done so, that the UN report actually debunks it.
This refers to their use of the term "sexual violence" that is the most relevant and should have come right at the beginning of the piece, or at least right after the first time it is used. Instead it's buried in a section over halfway through the article, where it correctly notes that the UN report was unable to corroborate "claims of rape, sexualized torture and genital mutilation reported in the media."
Of course they don't say that these "news media reports" includes their own "mass rape" hoax articles, including notoriously the Jeffrey "I don't do evidence, I do stories" Gettleman, Adam Sella the food blogger straight of college, and Anat Schwartz the genocidal maniac who served in Israel military intelligence piece "Screams Without Words", which amazingly still has not been retracted after it has been totally destroyed, once again by this latest UN report as they themselves have to admit while burying it so that no one will notice.
I noticed.
In that same section, which again comes late in the article after the term has already been used multiple times, it uses it just once to say the report also "accused Israel" of sexual violence against Palestinians.
Notice the insertion of that phrase: "accused Israel". There is no "accused Hamas" right in the paragraph before that. No, for Hamas the report "says it". Not accused, not alleges it, no, it says it, as if it's a Pure Fact. For Israel it's just a random vague allegation and accusation. Ignore it, it means nothing.
So then we are left with 8 other times the NYT piece uses the term "sexual violence". 6 of them are at the very beginning of the article, one in the subheading, prominently displayed right under the headline, deploying it as a stated fact about Hamas on October 7.
Note again the lack of "accused Hamas", while it says "accused Israel" in the sentence right after. Again, for Israel everything is just an vague allegation to the New York Times and the media class, but everything you say about Palestinians is pure unadulterated fact. Literally from the same report. Astonishing depravity.
But then notice also: No mention of sexual violence by Israel against Palestinians in the subheading, even though the report goes into extensive detail about that, and it is much more damning than what it says about Hamas, because for Israel the report concludes that it actually is deliberate, systematic and planned, and extends to long before October 7 and the ongoing Gaza genocide, and actually does include sexualized torture
I detailed the findings of the report regarding systematic and planned Israeli sexual violence against Palestinian babies, girls, boys, women and men here: x.com/zei_squirrel/status/18…
But the New York Times doesn't find that worthy of mentioning in its subheading, or in the entirety of the article, aside from the aforementioned quick nod to it as an vague general "accusation" over halfway through the piece which 0.01% of people read.
No details. No harrowing emotionally manipulative descriptions like they do for the sexual violence claims about Hamas, which are prominently displayed from the sub-heading down to the entire beginning of the article, comprising the 6 other uses of the term "sexual violence".
So the New York Times reader has to go to over halfway through the article before it finally sees the statement that the report could not corroborate claims of rape, sexualized torture of genital mutilation. Again, 99.9% of people who see this piece by the NYT and just read the headline and subheading think that the report actually proved the "mass rape" hoax, when it explicitly does the opposite as the NYT itself had to admit but only buried late in the piece so that no one would read it.
Finally the two other uses of the phrase "sexual violence" are in the conclusion of the piece, where it says that Hamas denied it, and Israel also denied it and said it was horrible and terrible that they dared equate Moral Holy Saintly Israel to those dirty sub-human filthy Palestinians with regard to sexual violence.
This is how the New York Times and the media class fabricate propaganda under the pretense of doing "journalism" and "getting the facts right". Through omission, emphasis and de-emphasis, ordering of claims (in headlines and subheadings, buried late in the piece), presenting as fact versus presenting as allegation, they distort reality and turn it into a mangled propaganda construct.
And they know they're doing this, it's all intentional, and that is what makes them so depraved and vile. They are conscious liars, and the better you are able to distort and lie and fabricate propaganda, the more you get rewarded in the prestige media class.
look at how the Guardian rape-laundered for Israel, the same Guardian that put out most depraved "mass rape" hoax pieces by @mck_beth who lied about rape on video, "orders to rape" and laundered the forced rape-tortured "confessions" (see later in thread):
☀️👀@zei_squirrel Jun 13 The Guardian has just written the most vile depraved propaganda laundering of the UN report, just outright lying about it. For October 7, they use highly emotive language and state it as fact, but for the much more damning and actual systematic use of sexual violence against Palestinians, The Guardian says it's just "alleged sexual violence", and says it is only "related to forced stripping of men and boys".
This is an outright lie. The UN report did not just say that the "sexual violence" against Palestinians was limited to forced stripping of men and boy. The Guardian is just outright lying. In the October 7 section they hyperfocus "WOMEN, AGAINST WOMEN, WOMEN", when it explicitly says it was not an ordered campaign by Hamas, and they could not prove rape which the Guardian intentionally omits to conflate "sexual violence" with rape in the reader's mind.
In the Israeli section against Palestinians, it explicitly says it is a systematic campaign of sexual violence against CHILDREN, WOMEN as well as men. Not just stripping men and boys from clothing as the Guardian lies like the depraved genocidal scum they are, but "sexualized torture and abuse, and sexual humiliation and harassment. (...) Sexual acts were carried out by force, including under threats, intimidation and other forms of duress, in inherently coercive circumstances due to the armed conflict and the presence of armed Israeli soldiers."
The report only uses the term "sexualized torture" in the section about Israel doing it to Palestinians, but if you read the Guardian report of the UN report, it's like that never happens. That's just what KHAMAS did to Israeli women, even though it's never used in that section.
The most depraved lying scum alive.
more direct testimonies of Israeli actual systematic mass rape of Palestinians. Zero Western media reporting on it. They're all rape-laundering for Israel, right after they fabricated the "mass rape" propaganda hoax to launder the ongoing Gaza genocide
☀️👀@zei_squirrel Jul 1 BREAKING: A lawyer has spoken to a Palestinian hostage taken by Israel who like many others gave direct testimony of mass systematic rape against them, including with dogs. It is clear now that the White House is laundering video footage of Palestinians who were raped as it is a routine part of the torture regime they are subjected to. Many hostages have also been torture-raped to death.
I want to repeat this again: The White House and Kamala Harris are promoting extensive video footage of Palestinians who were brutally, violently raped, and are using it to launder the genocidal atrocity propaganda "mass rape" hoax with it: x.com/zei_squirrel/status/18…
They are using actual rape to launder a rape hoax. This is a level of depravity I have never seen before, and it is not done by Trump or Republicans, it is being done by the black woke bae queen Kamala Harris.
Meanwhile the entire media class, from the New York Times to CNN, also actively participated in using these actual rape videos to launder the "mass rape" hoax they fabricated. All of them have promoted the Sandberg hoax film that features this extensive footage of raped Palestinians
more direct testimony from Palestinians on actual Israeli systematic mass rape. They're raping them to death with dogs. But the BBC, NYT, AP, Reuters, Guardian, all those who fabricated the "mass rape" hoax and have not retracted any of it, are silent Tell your story; Ask a question; Interpret generously http://storybythethroat.wordpress.com/tell-ask-listen/
Re: Zei Squirrel
Posted by RaskolnikovX on July 30, 2024, 11:00 pm, in reply to "Zei Squirrel"
It really is staggering. Ze is right, as I say often, the "journalists" who go along with this MUST be remembered and reminded.
Bethan McKernan might as well work for the embassy; she's foul....no amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party...So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin.
Re: Zei Squirrel
Posted by Keith-264 on July 31, 2024, 6:25 pm, in reply to "Zei Squirrel"
Didn't they use the term when reporting on Julian Assange?The last working-class hero in England.
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GG
Posted by Keith-264 on August 1, 2024, 9:02 am, in reply to "Re: Zei Squirrel"
On GG he said that the soldiers had been convicted and sentenced but other troops tried to bust them out and now they've been freed....The last working-class hero in England.
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on July 30, 2024, 11:07 am