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Trump/Harris lie fest....

Posted by Ed <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Ed' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on September 11, 2024, 3:25 am

Thought I'd take a look at this so called debate but it's impossible to stay with it.
After Harris repeating numerous times that we were going to hear "a bunch of lies" from Trump, without the slightest hesitation she goes and tells the ultimate whopper that "Hamas slaughtered 1200 people on the 7th October and women were horribly raped".
Of course, the two hacks sitting there asking the questions allowed the lie to stand.

So utterly comfortable telling huge lies to defend genocide, live on air before god knows how many hundreds of millions of people in the US and around the world.
I think we're all doomed.

Re: Trump/Harris lie fest....

Posted by RaskolnikovX <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Raskolnikov' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on September 11, 2024, 11:22 am, in reply to "Trump/Harris lie fest...."

I can't bear to actually watch the things but I do try and get a sense of the aftermath (although having to listen to those two it would be better to be aftermeth) and although the usual suspects are all claiming "Kamala won" it's all so very restrained so she clearly didn't really smash him.

They actually had people fact-checking in real time, notably on the "They're eating the dogs" thing, but obviously this only extends so far and in a fairly partisan way.

The media all seem to have got in line in so far as they are not going to make the same "mistake" as last time by giving Trump constant free advertising and instead seem to have gone full negative, minimal exposure. Who pulled those strings and how I don't know but the difference between the run-ins to the two elections couldn't be more stark.

For whatver reason they are determined to shovel Harris into the chair and the msm whores are doing their bit.

...no amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party...So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin.

Re: Trump/Harris lie fest....

Posted by Ed <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Ed' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on September 11, 2024, 4:22 pm, in reply to "Re: Trump/Harris lie fest...."

It was a hard watch, Rask.
I only watched it for what they would say about Gaza and Israel, then I timed out.
Yes, I knew they had "fact checkers" in live time and a lot of extended "fact checking" guff on the internet afterwards.
I think it was Sky News that had a very extensive fact check thing on the internet this morning which I went through and there was not one peep about the "1200 slaughtered" by Hamas on Oct 7th, or the "Women horribly raped" canards.
Both flatly false claims which seem to have escaped the "fact checkers".
Who'd have thunk it?

Re: Trump/Harris lie fest....

Posted by RaskolnikovX <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Raskolnikov' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on September 11, 2024, 6:22 pm, in reply to "Re: Trump/Harris lie fest...."

Yes she has repeated that 1200/mass rape line many times that I've heard in my relatively limited exposure so she must be coming out with it every ten minutes in reality.

As Shyaku noted below and I commented ...somewhere...the bias is definitely against Trump and "they" are pulling all the moves to make sure she gets in. The fact-checking bias was clearly noticeable.

It could get very tasty if Trump decides to pull a "stop the steal" stance again...

...no amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party...So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin.

Re: Trump/Harris lie fest....

Posted by Jackie <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Jackie' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on September 11, 2024, 8:55 pm, in reply to "Re: Trump/Harris lie fest...."

She’s a big disappointment, of course. Naive of me think it could ever be otherwise.

However, if it’s going to be one or the other, better it be her. Trump is a clueless pig who takes away women’s right to choose.

Re: Trump/Harris lie fest....

Posted by Ed <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Ed' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on September 11, 2024, 11:27 pm, in reply to "Re: Trump/Harris lie fest...."

I thought this was a Chomsky quote but "fact checking" it, I find that it was Ralph Nader.

"If you always vote for the lesser of two evils, you will always have evil, and you will always have less.”

Re: Trump/Harris lie fest....

Posted by Jackie <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Jackie' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on September 12, 2024, 11:30 am, in reply to "Re: Trump/Harris lie fest...."

That’s true. But I’m not able to vote, just have to live with the outcome.

Harris was endorsed by Dick Cheney, that’s good enough for me !! ..

Posted by Shyaku <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Shyaku' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on September 12, 2024, 6:16 pm, in reply to "Re: Trump/Harris lie fest...."

Meanwhile, Trump is the Kennedy candidate … oh wait .. am I getting confused?

I didn’t watch it, just a couple of 20 sec clips for a larf. I actually loved the “eating dogs” comment. It seemed just so funny - a master stroke, a direct whistle, if you will, to the blue collar vote, even clueless Harris laughed pretty genuinely.

Meanwhile, the guy who I spend endless hours of my life protesting against in 2003, who was the reason I got rid of my TV, who basically broke the back of the USA, ensured massive corruption, debt and failure, and is still alive unfortunately due to some kind of technology (I know not what) endorsed Harris! That’s good enough for me! - because names matter - the Democrats gave you th new deal so they must be the party of the people right? Yeah.

Re: Trump/Harris lie fest....

Posted by Jackie <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Jackie' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on September 11, 2024, 12:41 pm, in reply to "Trump/Harris lie fest...."

I agree. It’s absolutely disheartening to hear these lies over and over again from people who definitely know better. Especially since it has been used to justify utter destruction of Palestinian people and their means of living. Truly evil.

Re: Trump/Harris lie fest....

Posted by Ed <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Ed' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on September 11, 2024, 4:35 pm, in reply to "Re: Trump/Harris lie fest...."

Indeed, they know better.
To lie like that though, in front of the whole world, to defend a genocide and the vicious little settler state committing it, without batting a fekking eyelid...well what can you say?
Has anyone fact checked that these are real people and not demons straight from the depths of hell?

Craig Murray: That Harris/Trump Debate

Posted by sashimi <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=sashimi' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on September 11, 2024, 5:49 pm, in reply to "Trump/Harris lie fest...."

11 Sep 2024

But I wanted to focus in on the shameless bias of the moderators in favour of
Harris. The framing of questions to each candidate was far more hostile towards
Trump.

...

But whereas various nonsenses spouted by Trump were "fact-checked" by the
moderators, Harris's completely clueless propaganda was endorsed and reinforced.

Trump however ought to have been able to counter by talking of the purpose of
promoting domestic production and encouraging domestic industry and
agriculture. His inability to do so - and indeed to counterpunch with logical
refutation on anything - made this deeply unsatisfying watching.

...

All in all, extremely dispiriting. Harris came over as an entirely unprincipled
political operator who will adopt whatever positions serve her career, but is
rather more intellectually competent than previously expected. Trump came over
as a loose cannon which nobody has loaded.

As with Starmer, there is no doubt that Harris is the Deep State shoo-in
candidate, and the priming of the debate in her favour is hardly unexpected. It
does require an effort of textual analysis to pin it down, and I hope I have
given you a start on that.
-- Cont'd at https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2024/09/that-harris-trump-debate/

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