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Speaking to 100 Israelis about Palestine!

Posted by Der <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Der' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 3, 2025, 9:15 am

These people will be joining the IDF at some time in the future. There's a comforting thought. nm

Posted by Der <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Der' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 3, 2025, 10:58 am, in reply to "Speaking to 100 Israelis about Palestine!"

I'd be much more comforted with the thought of a boulder landing on their heads.

Posted by RaskolnikovX <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Raskolnikov' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 3, 2025, 2:13 pm, in reply to "These people will be joining the IDF at some time in the future. There's a comforting thought. nm"

I remember seeing some of these before and it just shows the level of indoctrination, brainwashing, inversion of reality that has to be used to keep the hideous project going. Hateful, demented little bastards the lot of 'em.

...no amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party...So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin.

Reminds me of the fanatical blind indoctrination of Nazi stormtroopers

Posted by scrabb <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=scrabb' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 3, 2025, 2:33 pm, in reply to "I'd be much more comforted with the thought of a boulder landing on their heads."

Absolutely no difference.

Doesn't that thought bring you down to their level, Rask?

Posted by scrabb <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=scrabb' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 3, 2025, 3:13 pm, in reply to "I'd be much more comforted with the thought of a boulder landing on their heads."

Or is this sanctimonius?

Re: Doesn't that thought bring you down to their level, Rask?

Posted by RaskolnikovX <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Raskolnikov' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 3, 2025, 3:44 pm, in reply to "Doesn't that thought bring you down to their level, Rask?"

It does, and it isn't sanctimony.

I wish I could say I was above it but I'm utterly sick of zionism and zionists and I just think of violence towards them. I wish I had the indefatigability of the Palestinians, but I don't. I wouldn't actually want them dead but that's the way this has all left me feeling.

...no amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party...So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin.

Re: Doesn't that thought bring you down to their level, Rask?

Posted by Keith-264 <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Keith-264' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 3, 2025, 5:45 pm, in reply to "Re: Doesn't that thought bring you down to their level, Rask?"

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I don't think wishing pain on perpetrators is the same as wishing it on victims (nm)

Posted by Ian M <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Ian+M' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 3, 2025, 6:49 pm, in reply to "Re: Doesn't that thought bring you down to their level, Rask?"

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Re: I don't think wishing pain on perpetrators is the same as wishing it on victims (nm)

Posted by t <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=TomskiD' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 3, 2025, 7:04 pm, in reply to "I don't think wishing pain on perpetrators is the same as wishing it on victims (nm)"

Nice moral compass you have there Ian. Nutshelled

'ta :) (nm)

Posted by Ian M <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Ian+M' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 3, 2025, 9:36 pm, in reply to "Re: I don't think wishing pain on perpetrators is the same as wishing it on victims (nm)"

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Re: I don't think wishing pain on perpetrators is the same as wishing it on victims (nm)

Posted by Keith-264 <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Keith-264' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 3, 2025, 10:45 pm, in reply to "I don't think wishing pain on perpetrators is the same as wishing it on victims (nm)"

If you step into their gutter, you become them.

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Re: I don't think wishing pain on perpetrators is the same as wishing it on victims (nm)

Posted by Ian M <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Ian+M' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2025, 12:16 am, in reply to "Re: I don't think wishing pain on perpetrators is the same as wishing it on victims (nm)"

I don't think it is their gutter, though. It might not be particularly constructive or lead to positive outcomes if acted upon, but the basis of it is compassion for the victims and an urge for protective violence. Their gutter is justification for, and rationalisations of offensive violence, maintaining a dominant position through theft, murder, ethnic cleansing, genocide... It's weirdly alienated because we don't know the people involved and only have our buttons pushed because of seeing images and text on screens, but under it is an urge for justice & restitution which is completely absent from the mindset of the coloniser.

That's how I see/feel it anyway.

cheers,
I

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Re: I don't think wishing pain on perpetrators is the same as wishing it on victims (nm)

Posted by Ian M <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Ian+M' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2025, 12:42 am, in reply to "Re: I don't think wishing pain on perpetrators is the same as wishing it on victims (nm)"

(btw, I responded without watching the vid, didn't realise he was mostly speaking to kids & youngsters. For the record I didn't wish violence on them, more felt sad and disgusted by the level of indoctrination that is turning them into such monsters. What I said applies to adults who are responsible for their words & actions and should be held to account in a way that wouldn't be appropriate for kids & young ppl in the same way.)

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Re: I don't think wishing pain on perpetrators is the same as wishing it on victims (nm)

Posted by Keith-264 <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Keith-264' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2025, 12:44 pm, in reply to "Re: I don't think wishing pain on perpetrators is the same as wishing it on victims (nm)"

It's the Clockwork Orange paradox, the violence is bad when they give Mr Liberal a kicking and gang-rape his wife and good when they take on the Hell's Angels and the naked woman escapes. Feeling anger at the criminals and wanting them to get a taste of their medicine is understandable but 'protective' violence is what the US state purports to do when it ritually murders people. They've even been putting people in gas chambers again. Perverted bastards.

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Re: I don't think wishing pain on perpetrators is the same as wishing it on victims (nm)

Posted by Ian M <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Ian+M' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2025, 3:17 pm, in reply to "Re: I don't think wishing pain on perpetrators is the same as wishing it on victims (nm)"

''protective' violence is what the US state purports to do when it ritually murders people.' - you mean with capital punishment? My first thought was the 'responsibility to protect' doctrine. Either way I'd view it as the state perverting & exploiting natural human impulses for its own purposes. Cold blooded and calculated to achieve certain goals which have nothing to do with justice or stopping the behaviour in question (if the US really wanted to stop civilians killing eachother then it would address poverty, mental trauma other root causes; if the US really wanted to protect civilians in Libya, Syria, fmr Yugoslavia then they would stop undermining those countries and stop funding, arming and training fanatical deathsquads to overthrow their governments).

Anyway I think my point stands about the urges to violence coming from different sources. I doubt the Droogs were motivated by wanting to free the woman being attacked by the Hell's Angels (don't remember, been ages since I read it). In that case it's an accidental justice, whereas what is needed is a whole-society response to address the problem. Fwiw I think violence is usually a terrible way to respond to destructive behaviour. It never 'teaches a lesson', and even if the perpetrator is defeated they go off, lick their wounds and plot their revenge which will be even worse after the sting of humiliation. However, in the absence of any real, good faith attempt to solve a problem by wider society I think it is justified when used protectively to try and halt or minimise further atrocities. Which explains the difference, for example, between Hamas/Hezbollah violence (mainly targeting Israeli military) and IDF violence (no qualms about murdering civilians by the tens of thousands). Or pretty much any other resistance movement against colonial/imperial powers. As Che Guevara put it:

'At the risk of seeming ridiculous, let me say that the true revolutionary is guided by a great feeling of love.' - https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Che_Guevara

cheers,
I

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"How many children have been killed?" IDF soldier: "Zero."

Posted by Morrissey <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Morrissey' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 3, 2025, 10:16 pm, in reply to "Speaking to 100 Israelis about Palestine!"

Thousands of these IDF creeps are hitch-hiking their way round New Zealand and Australia right now.

One of them got upset about protestors in Auckland a few days ago...

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/asb-classic-auckland-tennis-tournament-sees-protest-against-israeli-player-lina-glushko/UY5MW3O2XNBGXA3FEBN66676CY/

Re: "How many children have been killed?" IDF soldier: "Zero."

Posted by Keith-264 <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Keith-264' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 3, 2025, 10:47 pm, in reply to ""How many children have been killed?" IDF soldier: "Zero.""

Good on them.

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Kira the cat, ? ? 2010 - 3 August 2018
Jasper the Ruffian cat ? ? ? - 4 November 2021

Change the flags and it looks like much of the UK - Farage-Tommy -ConLab with Beeb and rest

Posted by marknadim <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=marknadim' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2025, 1:59 pm, in reply to "Speaking to 100 Israelis about Palestine!"

could turn us into a nation of fantasist supremacist flag-shagging genocide supporters ourselves.

Re: Change the flags and it looks like much of the UK - Farage-Tommy -ConLab with Beeb and rest

Posted by RaskolnikovX <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/info/user=Raskolnikov' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on January 4, 2025, 3:25 pm, in reply to "Change the flags and it looks like much of the UK - Farage-Tommy -ConLab with Beeb and rest "

That seems to be what's coming down the road; the beeb giving the fag-ash fuhrer endless publicity and Musk boosting anything related on Twitter, numbers growing, support for the two cheeks falling, more austerity. Lots of ingredients in place.

...no amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party...So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin.

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