▪️Thank God, "Oreshnik" was without a loaded warhead, - stated Sadovoy. ▪️The mayor of Lviv acknowledged serious damage to infrastructure after the strike of the Russian missile "Oreshnik" and stated that the Ukrainian air defense system did not register its flight. The missile was not detected by radars, and the time from launch to impact was less than 10 minutes. ▪️The missile did not carry a warhead, which allowed to avoid large-scale destruction and casualties. At the same time, Sadovoy confirmed the damage to one of the critical infrastructure objects and described the received damage as "terrible", although not the maximum possible. ▪️The Gauleiter of Lviv called the incident a demonstration of force and linked the strike to the city's proximity to the EU border. To date, Ukraine does not have technologies capable of intercepting such types of missiles, and he regarded the strike as a signal addressed to the USA and European countries.The last working-class hero in England. Clio the cat, ? July 1997 - 1 May 2016 Kira the cat, ? ? 2010 - 3 August 2018 Jasper the Ruffian cat ??? - 4 November 2021 Georgina the cat ???-4 December 2025
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Posted by Ed on January 10, 2026, 2:05 pm, in reply to "From Simplicius"
What's with the "didn't carry a warhead" thing, when the mayor is describing serious damage to infrastructure. Do they just mean it wasn't carrying anything near as destructive as it could have been? The "didn't carry a warhead" isn't referring to it not carrying a nuclear warhead, is it?"I won't dignify the attacker's words by repeating them, they are horrific and vile."
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Posted by Keith-264 on January 10, 2026, 2:08 pm, in reply to "Re: From Simplicius"
I think it means that the damage done was by momentum, not explosion.The last working-class hero in England. Clio the cat, ? July 1997 - 1 May 2016 Kira the cat, ? ? 2010 - 3 August 2018 Jasper the Ruffian cat ??? - 4 November 2021 Georgina the cat ???-4 December 2025
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Posted by ceemac666 on January 10, 2026, 2:40 pm, in reply to "Re: From Simplicius"
That word "kinetic"in it,s correct context.
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Posted by Keith-264 on January 10, 2026, 3:52 pm, in reply to "Re: From Simplicius"
I was avoiding it. ;O)The last working-class hero in England. Clio the cat, ? July 1997 - 1 May 2016 Kira the cat, ? ? 2010 - 3 August 2018 Jasper the Ruffian cat ??? - 4 November 2021 Georgina the cat ???-4 December 2025
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Posted by Ken Waldron on January 10, 2026, 3:05 pm, in reply to "Re: From Simplicius"
Summary is that they look awesome in operation, can hit anywhere from Russia in about ten minutes flat, nothing can stop them, but they cant really do the " bunkerbuster" thing: too fast so they would melt... cant really carry ordinary ordinance: too hot they would pre-explode...but shove some nuclear on the ends and were all finished.
So...my conclusion is that the Ivan is using them as warning fireworks to the Yanquis and NATO who are too cloth-eared for wordy diplomacy.
Unfortunately, I reckon they are overestimating the intelligence of western leadership, whom we can plainly see from their actions and attitudes in this war, have allowed any residual mental acumen to be overwhelmed by self mythologising grandeur.
Re: From Simplicius
Posted by Keith-264 on January 10, 2026, 3:58 pm, in reply to "Re: From Simplicius"
"too fast so they would melt... cant really carry ordinary ordinance: too hot they would explode"
I wouldn't bet on that....The last working-class hero in England. Clio the cat, ? July 1997 - 1 May 2016 Kira the cat, ? ? 2010 - 3 August 2018 Jasper the Ruffian cat ??? - 4 November 2021 Georgina the cat ???-4 December 2025
Re: From Simplicius
Posted by Ken Waldron on January 10, 2026, 4:49 pm, in reply to "Re: From Simplicius"
wouldn't bet on that....
No, but I'm summarising what I took from Postol. Hit the ground at Mach 10 and they vaporise before penetrating deeply enough to be "bunker busters", build in a heat shield to handle the extreme kinetic temperatures and you lose ordinance capacity.
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Posted by Shyaku on January 15, 2026, 1:01 pm, in reply to "Re: From Simplicius"
He doesn’t explain very much, such as the guidance unit on the early slides, what it is guiding and how. I also had the impression previously that the Oreshnik ordnace (canister) fires downwards at lower altitude rather than passive deceleration.
Also, ‘strategic’ refers to the mode of usage rather than explosive power or apparent range of damage. A strategic weapon would be one that can hit a strategic target such as a high level command center, which is well defended. This weapon can bypass defenses.
on January 10, 2026, 1:36 pm