Very true Phill I never thought about using floats or lure skirts etc till I started seeing the different traces and rigs on various web sites which got me thinking about the extra movement etc to entice a strike. I fish two rods so always have one with bling and one without the bling but still have lumo tube/beads. What I am also trying out with those traces is some of those skirted ones do have the keeper tied in place but others have lumo tube slipped over the eye so I can slide the keeper hooks wherever I want and they are locked in place by the bit of tube. Bit like fly tying really you start on basic flies next thing you know you are experimenting, I even ended up a very lethal version of the variegated wooly bugger with a bit of crystal flash as a trigger point in the tail area instead of the usual red stuff I caught that many on the first fly I tied like that in one day that the fly disintegrated I went home and tied more then went back again the next day and had the same result, I left the fishing spot with $40 in my pocket that day when damn near every other fisho that was there were offering to buy them off me when a couple saw I had more of them at the car in my tackle box