Hangler, no vitriole has been posted at all. I have deleted the stuff that was put on here as it was uncalled for and unnecessary. You have a right to an opinion and I apologise for what was said. Im hot headed and I sometimes I see red when I should go and suck a chill pill. This was one of those times.

I see all posts on this site as valuable and many of yours have been very informative.But I wont agree with your philosophy and views on the fishery and that is the end of that. I will always argue in favour of the fishery and I wont change my views. So saying I accept my views are not everyones, but Im still entitled to express them. I just need ensure they are presented reasonably, which on this occasion I did not. End of story.

I thought the vid was good too. There have been a few rays around lately. Caught an eagle ray a week or so ago. It was bigger than that one though, and put up a bit of scrap. Still wont eat them though. Sent it back with its sting between its legs to fight another day.

Often they bite without taking off. They just nibble it and sit there sometimes. Other times they will take off like rockets, such as the time when one took my Kilwell slx and daiwa reel for a swim a few years ago. Taught me a valuable lesson about setting your drag properly.