Re: @ Ian M: Re your thread of yesterday, Ian (link below). Can't actually find much of JPie's rants to Archived Message
Posted by Ian M on February 23, 2019, 11:02 pm, in reply to "@ Ian M: Re your thread of yesterday, Ian (link below). Can't actually find much of JPie's rants to"
Hi Rhis, thanks for that, you may have a point and I can't speak for your or your friends' experiences... Here's what Pie said: 'Love 'em or hate 'em the police are basically all that stands between relative safety and a f*ing riot in tesco metro most days. Without the fear of arrest I would probably punch three or four people a day [...] right now the vast majority of uk police officers feel that they are understaffed and underfunded, and I'm inclined to trust their judgement over [former banker] Sajid Javid.' I think it's the 'relative safety' and fear-of-arrest-as-deterrent that stick in my craw. Safety for who? Not dark-skinned young people in the inner cities for one thing! Not disabled activists getting physically abused and having their details passed onto the DWP for opposing fracking: http://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/kicked-punched-knocked-unconscious-tipped-out-of-wheelchairs-campaigners-describe-repeated-police-targeting-of-disabled-anti-fracking-protesters/ https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/police-force-admits-passing-footage-of-disabled-protesters-to-dwp/ He's buying into the Protection Racket of the state's monopoly on violence too - we wouldn't need state-trained strongmen and shock troops if we still had functioning communities with established traditions of conflict resolution. I guess I have to admit that without that community cohesion it becomes necessary to rely on the police in the way you describe. The state probably takes on a 'duty of care' in that regard after undermining those communities in the first place, much in the same way a health service has to come into play after traditional healing has been destroyed (or proves incapable of dealing with the toxins unleashed by industrialism). It reminds me of Labour's call (even with Corbyn as leader) for more investment in the armed forces, when what really needs to be questioned is why we 'need' to have so many of them in the first place. There's no critical examination of the +social role+ that these institutions enact - what behaviours their salaries actually foster. Pie's happy to 'trust' that they know best. But what if it turns out that they actually have a detrimental effect on society in the final analysis? Would he trust them to come forward and argue themselves out of a job?? Not bloody likely IMO! Glad we agree on the gic-class thuggery at least cheers, I
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