Re: Appreciate that you replied BTW David; just a point... Archived Message
Posted by Tomski on May 1, 2019, 11:56 am, in reply to "Re: Appreciate that you replied BTW David; just a point... "
Women of all social groups are sexually assaulted. Social groups? I take it you mean classes? : ) As this includes left wing or 'progressive' women .. Certainly. But if your theory is that (i) perpetrators tend to be right wing or that (ii) supporters of MeToo tend not to be left wing ... And If the perpetrators tended to be right wing, presumably financially successful men … If you want to narrow it down to Hollywood crowd, the latter category (ii) may or may not qualify. See later. Regarding (ii),though there is a vocal middle class component of MeToo I also think the radical feminists among MeToo will be mostly left wing; the whole thing about women's rights, including reproductive rights and associated employment rights etc doesn't (IMO) fit too well with traditional conservative, often religious so-called 'family values'. Ish. I won't be 'putting you right' on it. I'm not well up on gender politics, and hence not the best person to ask; but that's what I think - neither gender oppression nor opposition to gender oppression are strongly class based. The first bit is a shocker Walter. We are talking gender politics. The last sentence is interesting. It needs unpacking, but not now. Finally, for one reason or another, I thought that by asking the questions that I originally asked, this may lead to the bit of territory I ‘discovered’. I am also thinking about this response that I had from you and although it has some interesting elements, it doesn’t help me. Nevertheless I thought it polite to answer since I am trying to also bridge the gap. Let’s start by saying that one needs to be careful not to jump from one category to another and also not to widen or narrow the subsequent conclusion at the drop of the hat. I posit that ‘progressive’ men are unlikely to be chauvinistic since they are aware what is ‘right’ in the interpersonal realm as well as in the wider social context of exploitation of women in a (especially) capitalist society. These men can be either working or middle class. These men are unlikely to be predators etc. Also agreed that in general ‘progressive’ women may be the victims of sexual assault. I also posit that the MeToo movement may or may not be ‘progressive’. It depends on the individuals within this group and what they bring to the conversation. So I have narrowed it down and examined the ‘progressives’. I understand you find the term nebulous whilst otoh I think I can recognize the features immediately, but bear with me. Tarring all men as sexual predators doesn’t sit well with me – see above. Considering that all victims of these predations in the MeToo have ‘progressive’ credentials is also very iffy imo. Somewhat an impasse, and my conclusion is that one needs to examine MeToo case by case. In other words, have examples that can be unpacked. This is well beyond our present debate. I am still of the opinion that in general the rights of women as well as men should be at the forefront of the wider anti-capitalist movement … equally. Atomising it, as it is happening now, is a regressive feature, and, as it happens, my theory is that this is being consciously engineered by the elite/MSM and what have you. Unfortunately I shall little time to respond further since my time will be somewhat limited in the near future. Best
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- liberal left is an oxymoron. Once you start taking right positions you are no longer left - dan April 28, 2019, 12:14 pm
- Ask your friends how many times they've had to sign a consent form to have consensual sex! nm - CJ April 28, 2019, 3:31 pm
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