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    You appear to be exhibiting a major hot-button/blind-spot, John. I encourage onlookers to delve as Archived Message

    Posted by Rhisiart Gwilym on May 30, 2019, 7:51 am, in reply to "Re: as an aside..."

    deeply as they can into the great mass of relevant material around these issues. If you don't catch the unmistakable smell of dirty big-money rackets polluting actual realities, and deliberately distorting the truth - for profit - then perhaps your nose is on the blink.

    Dr. Andrew Wakefield, it becomes clear enough when you look, is simply not the hitlerputinnazi creature wished up in John's rants against him. He's a principled man with a real point: that there's something seriously wrong with the way we do vaccination now; and the criminal distortions of the gangsters who run the Big Pharma rackets are clearly at the bottom of it.

    I point out again that Andrew Wakefield isn't against all vaccination per se, but is simply pointing out the obvious serious problems with the way we've all been propagandised to use it now. I offer no firm judgement on David Noakes and GcMAFF because I haven't looked into it extensively. But just that one article to which fred linked should make it plain that something is just not straight about the official hitlerputinnazi ranting of those who seek to rubbish the whole question.

    Never mind John's 'I'm a veteran doctor and you have to defer to me' stance. Veteran professional expertise obviously deserves its due place. But it doesn't over-ride lay-persons' common sense, when in possession of enough facts to form a view. Juries of sensible average citizens is still a good basic model for getting at the truth eventually. Investigate for yourself, and smell the odour of truth - and the alternative odour of chisellers-on-the-make. Investigate whilst we still have some freedom of information left in the internet that hasn't - yet - been censored into oblivion. I suspect that it's this sudden, and possibly quite brief, access for any common citizen to lots of embarrassingly orthodoxy-questioniing dissident information - plus all the actual try-it-and-see experience now available in online feedback - that is shaking the guardians of current orthodoxy into such paroxysms of - frankly rather foaming - denunciations against the whistleblowers. It's a marked feature of our times, isn't it?

    Well, that always happens when greatly-invested-in paradigms start to shift. Mesmer was condemned by the august-seeming guardians of orthodoxy of the time as a quack - oh that favourite meaning-free snarl-noise in medical disputes! Look how often it's thrown about just in this thread - yet no-one now doubts that there's something seriously real about hypnotism (major surgery undertaken with only hypnosis as anaesthetic, for just one of a multitude of examples; proof of the pudding is in the try-it-and-see, isn't it?)...

    The deliberately-scared-up dust around Wakefield and Noakes will settle eventually, and these - and other - whistleblowers against the racketeers will be vindicated. Meanwhile, the hot-button/blind-spots rage on - and the gangsters continue to profit from the confusion.

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