"...polemics to suppress the arguments..." Of we "miscreants", who are evidently malevolently Archived Message Posted by Old (Most) Contemptible on December 3, 2019, 12:46 pm, in reply to "Not every one entirely avoidable, apparently" motivated. It couldn't be that we see serious sober objections to the sort of guilt-tripping which you exemplify so obviously here, John, could it? As Walter points out, it's scarcely the best way to win over undecideds, is it? And as Jamie sketches in with just a selection of the obvious questions, you seem to be getting rather partial about which bits of the overall health situation of the islanders that you highlight, and which are passed over in silence. It - er - it's been observed before, many times, that marked declines in the mortality of previously scourge-like illnesses in places like Victorian Britain began to appear - unmistakably - before any introduction of vaccination programmes, but after public works to improve the health and - vitally - the hygeine and the sound nutrition of the populace were put in hand. Sort of cause and effect style. So - what are conditions generally like in the island? Has that no relevance? Meanwhile, the sober arguments for a new, comprehensive look at the whole idea of constant mass vaccination (as a source of vast commercial profit rather than reliably-demonstrated mass good health) continue to stack up, ever more persuasively. Many of we miscreants are also quite persuaded by them - as well as being wickedly determined to cause death and suffering for its own sake, of course; because of our natural devilish ill-will... No way to do sober science, John. Message Thread: Measles deaths in Samoa.... - John Monro December 3, 2019, 9:32 am Not every one entirely avoidable, apparently - walter December 3, 2019, 10:47 am "...polemics to suppress the arguments..." Of we "miscreants", who are evidently malevolently - Old (Most) Contemptible December 3, 2019, 12:46 pm Re: Not every one entirely avoidable, apparently - wrong again, folks. - John Monro December 3, 2019, 7:37 pm Re: Not every one entirely avoidable, apparently - wrong again, folks. - walter December 3, 2019, 10:59 pm Puerperal fever - Shyaku December 7, 2019, 12:24 am Cause and effect... - Ken Waldron December 3, 2019, 7:42 pm Re: Cause and effect... - walter December 3, 2019, 8:15 pm Re: Cause and effect... - Ken Waldron December 3, 2019, 9:10 pm Re: Cause and effect... - walter December 3, 2019, 9:34 pm Re: Cause and effect... - John Monro December 3, 2019, 11:08 pm Re: Measles deaths in Samoa.... - Jamie December 3, 2019, 10:52 am Re: Measles deaths in Samoa....answers to your loaded questions ... - John Monro December 3, 2019, 10:58 pm Re: Measles deaths in Samoa....answers to your loaded questions ... - Jamie December 4, 2019, 9:21 am The biggest killer in Samoa, I have little doubt, is poverty. - Shyaku December 7, 2019, 12:16 am   Searching