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    Posted by Ian M on February 19, 2023, 11:23 pm

    (re: thread below: https://members5.boardhost.com/xxxxx/thread/1676464645.html ) Finally figured out how to use the Wayback Machine to look at the old MLMB pages. Found this from Sept 10th, 2015, 2 days before Corbyn won the leadership:

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    https://web.archive.org/web/20151002215617/http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/thread/1441881263.html

    If Corby fails

    Posted by Keith-264 [Email User] on September 10, 2015, 1:19 pm, in reply to "If Corbyn doesn't win, how will that play out? (e.g.: Will the result be believed?) nm"

    I'll annoy everyone by writing "I told you so". ;O)

    264, the last working class hero in England.

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    Like I said, a man of his word

    No screen grabs I could find for Sept 15th (3 days in when the first media shitstom erupted over Corbyn not singing the national anthem) but these threads from Sept 18th give a good sense of the mood, though unfortunately you can't view the whole thread, just the subject headers on the homepage:


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    https://web.archive.org/web/20150919065837/http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/

    Corby blinked, McDonnell apologised: they're finished - Keith-264 Yesterday, 11:05 am ['Today= Sept 19th']

    Re: Corby blinked, McDonnell apologised: they're finished - Kenneth Yesterday, 11:14 am
    Silly season, I told you so.... - Keith-264 Yesterday, 11:21 am
    Jez is bringing a knife to a gunfight. Anyway, I have rebellious Scots to crush (: - psingh Yesterday, 12:35 pm
    Re: Silly season, I told you so.... - Mark D Yesterday, 1:29 pm
    Nice guy but just out of his depth....! - Neil Yesterday, 4:47 pm
    Corbyn could win but he and the people around him will need to sharpen up in this area and fast [nm] - Gutenberg Yesterday, 5:45 pm
    "I suspect that they have too many people around; MPs, advisers, playing their usual spinning role" - Gutenberg Yesterday, 11:39 am
    This conciliatory stance has got more than a touch of the Owned Jones about it! nm - Ed Yesterday, 11:45 am
    Jey's fatal weakness, perhaps: honest, principled and consistent himself; committed to the idea of - Rhisiart Gwilym Yesterday, 12:18 pm
    Spot on, Rhisiart! (NM) - Stevo!! Yesterday, 12:25 pm
    Re: "I suspect that they have too many people around; MPs, advisers, playing their usual spinning role" - Kenneth Yesterday, 11:54 am
    "Are you suggesting we go back to Blair/Campbell era? but with students. I think not." - Gutenberg Yesterday, 12:21 pm
    Re: "Are you suggesting we go back to Blair/Campbell era? but with students. I think not." - Curtis Yesterday, 2:20 pm
    "But does it really matter how many media savvy advisors Corbyn has?" Yes because at present, he... - Gutenberg Yesterday, 6:52 pm
    Re: "I suspect that they have too many people around; MPs, advisers, playing their usual spinning role" - Kenneth Yesterday, 2:07 pm
    Re: Corby blinked, McDonnell apologised: they're finished - Stevo!! Yesterday, 11:49 am
    By the way.... - Stevo!! Yesterday, 11:53 am
    They backed down because the fascist pigs told them to - Keith-264 Yesterday, 11:54 am
    Re: They backed down because the fascist pigs told them to - Stevo!! Yesterday, 11:57 am
    Re: They backed down because the fascist pigs told them to - Keith-264 Yesterday, 12:05 pm
    Re: They backed down because the fascist pigs told them to - Stevo!! Yesterday, 12:09 pm
    I don't like hope-ium - Keith-264 Yesterday, 12:13 pm
    Re: I don't like hope-ium - Stevo!! Yesterday, 12:23 pm
    Re: I don't like hope-ium - Keith-264 Yesterday, 12:36 pm
    Re: I don't like hope-ium - Stevo!! Yesterday, 1:48 pm
    I don't like hope-ium, I'm an atheist - Keith-264 Yesterday, 1:51 pm
    Re: They backed down because the fascist pigs told them to - MadeNotBorn Yesterday, 12:21 pm
    Reply to Keith (nom) - MadeNotBorn Yesterday, 12:26 pm
    Turgid Dirge - Keith-264 Yesterday, 12:34 pm
    Nobody in the UK has to sit back & wtach. Corbyn's comittemnt to internal party democracy is KEY. If - emersberger Yesterday, 12:33 pm
    Booking a seat on the Lancastria - Keith-264 Yesterday, 12:39 pm
    Like radical posing? UK people have a chacnce to do something & need to jump at it fast [nm] - emersberger Yesterday, 12:44 pm
    What something? - Keith-264 Yesterday, 1:18 pm
    Labour's rank and file are Corbyn's defence against Blairite coup. His committement & depedence on - emersberger Yesterday, 1:32 pm
    Re: Labour's rank and file are Corbyn's defence against Blairite coup. His committement & depedence on - Keith-264 Yesterday, 1:43 pm
    Red Lines. - Peter Yesterday, 12:34 pm
    Sensible but in UK folks have to get out of watch & hope mode. They need to join and PRESSURE [nm] - emersberger Yesterday, 12:36 pm
    Re: Sensible but in UK folks have to get out of watch & hope mode. They need to join and PRESSURE [nm] - Keith-264 Yesterday, 12:41 pm
    Well said... - The Editors Yesterday, 1:18 pm
    Sophistry - Keith-264 Yesterday, 1:41 pm
    Re: Corby blinked, McDonnell apologised: they're finished - Anthony Murphy Yesterday, 1:24 pm
    He came, he saw, he capitulated - Keith-264 Yesterday, 1:48 pm
    Re: He came, he saw, he capitulated - Stevo!! Yesterday, 1:53 pm
    Re: He came, he saw, he capitulated - The Editors Yesterday, 1:56 pm
    Re: He came, he saw, he capitulated - Keith-264 Yesterday, 2:16 pm
    Shorting out the desired attack on Syria is a distinct possibility. And the Corbyn win alone, what - Rhisiart Gwilym Yesterday, 3:29 pm
    Re: Shorting out the desired attack on Syria is a distinct possibility. And the Corbyn win alone, what - Keith-264 Yesterday, 3:55 pm
    What did you expect - Neil Yesterday, 3:14 pm
    You in the UK Neil?[nm] - emersberger Yesterday, 3:17 pm
    No I am in France [nm] - Neil Yesterday, 4:29 pm
    Send cake and fine wines! - Keith-264 Yesterday, 5:44 pm
    Passport to Pimlico!..Passport to Pimlico! (nm) - Ed Yesterday, 5:56 pm
    "Pisspoor to oblivion! Pisspoor to oblivion! (nm) - Keith-264 Yesterday, 7:32 pm
    Keith, have you heard of guerilla warfare? - shyaku Today, 1:06 am


    Alex Salmond on QT was right: Corbyn was indeed very silly over the national anthem thing. - rippon Yesterday, 12:01 am

    Nonsense. Many folks don't sing, but show respect. PR shite again . nm - marknadim Yesterday, 12:08 am
    That's not the point. The point is: Corbyn says he will sing in future, so now he looks stupid. nm - rippon Yesterday, 12:13 am
    But the point is not about the anthem.... - Hidari Yesterday, 12:22 am
    Or, worse, *weak*. To look weak when you're surrounded by jackals is a terrible mistake. nm - rippon Yesterday, 12:17 am
    Who gives a shit? - Hidari Yesterday, 12:16 am
    *Corbyn* gives a shit. And that's the point: he previously pretended he didn't. nm - rippon Yesterday, 12:19 am
    And the establishment gives a shit. You don't disrespect them when you don't have power. nm - rippon Yesterday, 12:22 am
    Corby was never going to change the system, rippon - Hidari Yesterday, 12:26 am
    McDonnell and Corbyn are being far too apologetic over these things... - Ed Yesterday, 12:27 am
    Quite agree Ed. Sorry to say this is a very bad sign. Tsipras-like[nm] - emersberger Yesterday, 12:46 am
    Completely agree with Joe Emersberger. This is not a good sign. - Hidari Yesterday, 9:28 am
    Well said! What this shows us though is that in the face of a hostile media - Der Yesterday, 12:35 am
    Well said H (nm) - Alan Haynes Yesterday, 7:17 am
    Re: Who gives a shit? - dereklane Yesterday, 7:47 am
    Re: Who gives a shit? - Gerard Yesterday, 8:12 am
    Salmond was wrong - John Hilley Yesterday, 12:34 am
    The point here is nothing to do with Salmond or Stanley but *Corbyn*. - rippon Yesterday, 12:46 am
    Re: Alex Salmond on QT was right: Corbyn was indeed very silly over the national anthem thing. - mick travis Yesterday, 12:34 am
    Well said, Mick and Ed (nm) - John Hilley Yesterday, 12:38 am
    I think we are measuring JC by the usual political ruler - he's different, why can't we accept what - CJ Yesterday, 1:17 am
    I repeat the point I made earlier, rippon -- I'm more concerned about JC's supporters (i.e., ME) - scrabb Yesterday, 12:47 am
    Re: I repeat the point I made earlier, rippon -- I'm more concerned about JC's supporters (i.e., ME) - rippon Yesterday, 1:02 am
    Corbyn is no Galloway. He doesn't have the character and personality to ... - rippon Yesterday, 12:57 am
    Re: Corbyn is no Galloway. He doesn't have the character and personality to ... - John Hilley Yesterday, 1:15 am
    Re: Corbyn is no Galloway. He doesn't have the character and personality to ... - rippon Yesterday, 1:27 am
    qiute right mick, these types hate him and his beliefs and however much he compromises they wont cha - focus Yesterday, 1:02 am
    JC could have said was there to pay tribute to the lives of the fallen, the ordinary people; that it - focus Yesterday, 12:42 am
    Alex Salmond is a politician - who is going to threaten the SNP in Scotland - JC! he sees it and - CJ Yesterday, 12:52 am
    Re: Alex Salmond on QT was right: Corbyn was indeed very silly over the national anthem thing. - John Monro Yesterday, 12:55 am
    You competely ignored his explanation - he has a history of honesty - why question it now? nm - CJ Yesterday, 1:03 am
    Re: Nonsense !!! - John Monro Yesterday, 2:10 am
    Excuse me but refusing to accept JC's explanation is questioning his honesty - without any evidence! - CJ Yesterday, 2:38 am
    Re: Excuse me but refusing to accept JC's explanation is questioning his honesty - without any evidence! - John Monro Yesterday, 9:19 am
    Re: Alex Salmond on QT was right: Corbyn was indeed very silly over the national anthem thing. - John Hilley Yesterday, 1:07 am
    Again: missing the point. - rippon Yesterday, 1:23 am
    Re: Again: missing the point. - John Hilley Yesterday, 1:44 am
    Re: Again: missing the point. - emersberger Yesterday, 1:49 am
    The point is: in this instance, he *hasn't* resisted establishment demands. - rippon Yesterday, 1:56 am
    We're reading too much into the actions of a notoriously honest and caring individual. Maybe we are - CJ Yesterday, 2:05 am
    I hope you are right CJ [nm] - emersberger Yesterday, 2:06 am
    I really really dislike analyses that tell Lefties to "learn from the right" especially far right - emersberger Yesterday, 1:27 am
    "he is already losing his nerve" - there is no evidence of this - it's supposition, imo. - CJ Yesterday, 1:54 am
    I really hope you are right [nm] - emersberger Yesterday, 2:09 am
    "In the meantime, grow up, accept your fate, smarten up and sing the bl---dy anthem!!" - scrabb Yesterday, 1:55 am
    Nope, I'm saying: "Jeremy, know yourself and your situation, and pick your fights accordingly." - rippon Yesterday, 2:01 am
    Re: "In the meantime, grow up, accept your fate, smarten up and sing the bl---dy anthem!!" - Ed Yesterday, 3:23 am
    No, Corbyn is in a no-win situation - SueC Yesterday, 1:57 am
    Yep, that's what I'm saying: not singing was a mistake by Corbyn. - rippon Yesterday, 2:04 am
    Alex Salmond is the consummate politician he would says this because it is in HIS interest! nm - CJ Yesterday, 2:10 am
    Salmond's *motive* for saying it is a separate question. His *judgement* happens to be correct. nm - rippon Yesterday, 2:13 am
    He of course raises an issue on which he can make the judgement - but there is no such issue in fact - CJ Yesterday, 2:50 am
    Re: Salmond's *motive* for saying it is a separate question. His *judgement* happens to be correct. nm - Kenneth Yesterday, 3:52 am
    Nn owin indeed, but he chose the bigger loss. That said, you could be right and maybe i have - emersberger Yesterday, 2:05 am
    The British establishment (and that includes 95% of the Labour Party) are - psingh Yesterday, 1:59 am
    "Let's give the guy a break" - scrabb Yesterday, 2:33 am
    Also -- lost faith in Salmond when I learnt he had done a deal with the Sun - scrabb Yesterday, 2:43 am
    Re: Also -- lost faith in Salmond when I learnt he had done a deal with the Sun - Kenneth Yesterday, 4:02 am
    exactly. debate safely on tory turf now. debate nedds to be on JC turf. cant do that by ceding groun - focus Yesterday, 4:34 am
    Bugger! This tea-mug's got a hurricane in it. Sorry, luv; could I trouble you for a different mug, - Rhisiart Gwilym Yesterday, 7:14 am
    Let all his "mistakes" be of that import (nm) - jjboulas Yesterday, 7:41 am
    We are all missing the "meat"... - Gerard Yesterday, 7:45 am
    You can't compromise your principles! - Gerard Yesterday, 8:03 am
    Re: for a relatively "trivial matter", we've all got quite excited about it!! - John Monro Yesterday, 9:33 am
    Re: for a relatively "trivial matter", we've all got quite excited about it!! - Kenneth Yesterday, 10:23 am
    Bollocks! He backed down, he's finished and deserves to be....nm - Keith-264 Yesterday, 11:08 am
    Re: Bollocks! He backed down, he's finished and deserves to be....nm - Kenneth Yesterday, 11:32 am
    Just love your reasoning K - don't hold back tell us what you really think. What happened to "I told - CJ Yesterday, 11:47 am
    I told you so - Keith-264 Yesterday, 12:02 pm
    Thankyou! I believe your still wrong on the facts as we can know them - we can't read his mind! nm - CJ Yesterday, 4:20 pm
    Corby's? - Keith-264 Yesterday, 7:39 pm
    I took your blinking comment to mean you had discerned the reasons for his actions! nm - CJ Yesterday, 8:58 pm
    Re: I took your blinking comment to mean you had discerned the reasons for his actions! nm - Keith-264 Yesterday, 10:47 pm
    Are you in the UK CJ? If not then, like me, all you can rally do is hope for the best. But in the - emersberger Yesterday, 1:06 pm
    I am in the UK and I joined the labour party to vote for JC which they appear to have accepted :0) - CJ Yesterday, 4:53 pm
    Re: I am in the UK and I joined the labour party to vote for JC which they appear to have accepted :0) - emersberger Yesterday, 5:11 pm
    Divert, distract, disarm....nm - Keith-264 Today, 12:30 am

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    Anyway, I've spent enough time on this now... glad to have another tool for internet sleuthing at least! Nice blast from the past to see all the old MLMB posters, even the Eds dropping in from time to time. Shame that all went tits up...

    cheers,
    I

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