Still going on about it, eh? Good to be reminded not to trust this guy. Not been following his Gaza coverage lately, but a nitter search for 'hamas' indicates a 'so far but no further' approach. He may have quit the labour party but that doesn't mean he's no longer thinking about his career.
Owen Jones @OwenJones84 Israel's cheerleaders will repeatedly claim: "There was a ceasefire on October 6th - and the next day, Hamas broke it." This is a lie - a massive, raging lie. Here's why 👇 invidious.poast.org/watch?v=OzIIrXFz…
Owen Jones @OwenJones84 Replying to @Tanmann5 I don’t support Hamas. I oppose its war crimes. You support the Israeli army and justify its war crimes. There isn’t any comparison
Owen Jones @OwenJones84 Jun 10 Replying to @allviewsmyown1 No offence but are you thick? You're replying to a tweet in which I make clear I think Hamas should release all hostages. I also believe Israel should do the same. I'm consistent, you are not, we are not the same.
Owen Jones @OwenJones84 Jun 10 Replying to @seledka_vodka I have no idea what you're talking about. The war crimes committed by Hamas are indefensible on their own terms as I've been clear from the start. I condemn all war crimes, whoever commits them. You on the other hand condone war crimes. We are not the same!
Owen Jones @OwenJones84 Jun 10 Replying to @allviewsmyown1 They should free all the hostages? Taking hostages is a grave war crime. Western citizens don't have any leverage over Hamas. They have leverage when it comes to Israel because Israel is armed and backed by our governments. This is very easy to understand.
Owen Jones @OwenJones84 Jun 10 Hamas is guilty of grave war crimes, which I've condemned repeatedly. 1) The war crimes of your enemy does not allow you to commit war crimes. 2) Hamas' war crimes are not armed and backed by the West. 3) Israel's war crimes are much much deadlier. This is not hard.
Spine @yellowspine Jun 9 Replying to @OwenJones84 Yes. Hamas should stop committing war crimes.
Owen Jones retweeted Mehdi Hasan @mehdirhasan Jun 9 Many things can true at the same time: Killing Israeli civilians to free Palestinian hostages is wrong. Killing Palestinian civilians to free Israeli hostages is wrong. Israelis masquerading as humanitarian workers is wrong. Hamas holding hostages in civilian homes is wrong.
Owen Jones @OwenJones84 Jun 8 Replying to @RaziHecker 4 hours ago. That’s me on record condemning Hamas’ war crimes for the millionth time. Where’s your record on condemning Israeli war crimes? You see the difference between you and me is condemn war crimes whoever commits them. We are not the same
Owen Jones @OwenJones84 Jun 8 Replying to @OwenJones84 @DavidLammy The taking of hostages was a grave war crime and like many others, I couldn't stop thinking of Noa's agonising capture for weeks after it happened. The relief of their loved ones is unimaginable. Their release in exchange for dozens of Palestinians slaughtered is obscene.
Owen Jones @OwenJones84 Jun 8 Replying to @Chris_Brit10 @LucerneBolvin I've repeatedly condemned Hamas for their serious war crimes. Do your homework next time to avoid embarrassment. The point is Hamas' war crimes aren't armed and backed by my government, and Israel's war crimes and much much much deadlier
Owen Jones @OwenJones84 Jun 8 Replying to @LucerneBolvin "Here's a terrible claim about Hamas which is routinely used as evidence of their depravity, and here's why it's absolutely fine if the Israeli state does the same thing"
Owen Jones @OwenJones84 Jun 8 Replying to @stopwafflingon @DavidLammy You think kids are Hamas and thus legitimate targets? It’s important you know that you are a sick person and you are beneath contempt
Owen Jones @OwenJones84 Jun 8 Palestinian men being raped by Israeli soldiers. You have to read to the end of this New York Times article to find this out. If this was Hamas, it would presented as key evidence of their unique barbarism. Instead, it's a buried minor detail. nytimes.com/2024/06/06/world…
Owen Jones retweeted Khalil Sayegh @KhalilJeries Jun 6 Israel has rejected it by emphasizing that “war won't end.” Hamas said they would agree to it, but there needs to be guarantees that the cease-fire would move from stage I to stage II, thus bringing about an end to the war.
Charles Lister @Charles_Lister Jun 6 NEW -- #Israel has reportedly rejected the ceasefire deal publicly announced by #Biden & tabled at the UNSC. #Biden described it as "Israel's plan" -- apparently not. #Hamas has reportedly rejected the text too.
Owen Jones @OwenJones84 Jun 4 Awful from ITV. The presenter mentions the terrorist attacks of Hamas on 7th October, then an entirely vague 'what unfolded after that', without mentioning Israel and its murderous rampage. Israel's leadership face looming arrest warrants for war crimes ffs! #ITVDebate
Owen Jones @OwenJones84 May 28 Replying to @an_jongeling @FreeTheFish95 I don't spread Hamas propaganda, which you use as a catchall term to mean "opposing Israeli war crimes". I consistently oppose all war crimes, whoever commits them. You don't, which is why you are in fact a disgrace.
Owen Jones @OwenJones84 May 28 Replying to @an_jongeling @FreeTheFish95 I've repeatedly condemned Hamas' war crimes, anything else
Owen Jones @OwenJones84 May 23 Replying to @Bobjacket @aziz0nomics @faniaoz @AP @afalkhatib What she said isn't about getting it wrong. It's indicative of an extremist mindset. And she responded to Ireland, Spain and Norway recognising Palestine by approvingly sharing Eylon Levy's claim they would encourage Hamas to kidnap babies. Moderate indeed!
Owen Jones @OwenJones84 May 23 Replying to @OwenJones84 @aziz0nomics @faniaoz @AP @afalkhatib A true 'moderate' would oppose both the Hamas attack and the IDF attack. Instead a narrative is presented which equates 'Palestinian moderate' (opposes Hamas attack) with 'Israeli moderate' (supports IDF attack). Absolutely wild!
Owen Jones @OwenJones84 May 21 Replying to @NaksBilal Netanyahu’s apologists keep referring to Hamas getting a democratic mandate back in 2006 as the basis for collective punishment - I presume they don’t mean that as a mandate for war crimes - so not really sure they’ve thought this one through
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Incidentally, a search for 'right to resist' turns up a couple of results, none since Oct 7th. Telling that he only brings up the right of a population to resist foreign aggression, including with violence and arms supplied from the west, in the context of Ukraine. No response to the pointed questions of whether he supported the right of Afghans to resist western invasion/occupation. Funny that...
Owen Jones @OwenJones84 9 Feb 2023 Ukraine is fighting a just, defensive war of liberation against a murderous invasion launched by a kleptocratic, chauvinist, far right autocracy. There’s nothing left wing about allowing nations to be conquered and subjugated by oppressors.
An individual polo mint. @gf1874 Go and fuckin sign up for their army then. All these weird wee liberals desperate for other people to die to fuel their superiority complexes.
Owen Jones @OwenJones84 Do you support Ukrainians fighting back against being invaded, yes or no? Or do you think they should greeted invading Russian soldiers with pompom balls
An individual polo mint. @gf1874 I oppose war in all formats and sending more and more weapons to a warzone is contrary to any anti-war stance. It wasn’t so long this was viewed as a pretty standard left-wing position, but there you go.
Owen Jones @OwenJones84 What does anti-war as you define it mean in practice when an army invades your country? Do you think it means you just accept being invaded? Pacifism and leftism are not synonymous. Leftism doesn’t mean “let murderous right wing autocracies occupy and subjugate other nations”
An individual polo mint. @gf1874 I take it we can assume you supported the Taliban then, for example, when they were killing Western soldiers? Or the IRA back in the day? Or Palestinian attacks on their occupiers?
Owen Jones @OwenJones84 The Palestinians, for a start, have the right to resist under international law. What we're discussing in Ukraine is an imperfect democratic state suffering a full-scale invasion from its neighbour, and it would be truly unhinged not to support Ukrainian's right to resist that
🕊 Free Julian Assange @jamesforpeace You want Crimeans and others in east Ukraine to be terrorised by NATO-backed Azov Nazis? Nice. invidious.poast.org/b8j0tJsKltg Donbass - 2016. Documentary Anne-Laure Bonnel (subtitles EN FR SPA... Subtitles in Italian, English, Spanish and French are available. Click on "settings" (gear symbol on the desktop or three dots at the top right in the mobile... youtube.com
Number10 @ElwinWay Owen, why do you continually dodge these questions? Did Iraqis and Afghans have a right and duty to kill invading British soldiers, did you support them doing so and do you think the left should have been campaigning for them to be armed?
Btw,'still going on about it, eh?' was directed at Jones, not you John, in case that wasn't clear.
Fwiw I found a tweet from January where Jones concedes the right to armed resistance to Palestinians (how good of him...), though it's quietly done in a reply to his own post, and all his dutiful Hamas Condemnation fails to mention that the majority of the Oct 7th operation could be justified under that legal framework:
'Owen Jones @OwenJones84 Jan 22 For those who hear these countless examples of genocidal incitement from, say, journalists and go: “Well, they don’t count, because they’re not running the country.”
Under the 1948 Genocide Convention, Israel is legally obliged to take action against those who incite genocide.
[quote tweet: Quds News Network @QudsNen Jan 22 "Therefore, if the children of Gaza are forced to starve, to live in sewage pipes, and to eat moldy bread, I don't care, let this happen."
An Israeli journalist says it is okay for Israel to starve Gaza's children to death so long as there are Israeli prisoners in the enclave.]
Owen Jones @OwenJones84 Jan 22 Replying to @uncoovr To be accurate, that means armed resistance is legal. That armed resistance still has to abide by the laws which govern warfare, which, for example prohibit attacks on civilians'
Btw,'still going on about it, eh?' was directed at Jones, not you John, in case that wasn't clear.
Never occurred to me that it was directed at me.
I think Jones is genuinely horrified at the genocide going on in Gaza and at western complicity. He's doubtless also concerned about being on the right side of history.
I don't think he acknowledges the role he played in undermining the left by actively participating in the weaponisation of antisemitism.
Re: Left-wing Jews’ fury over Jones’ renewed attack on Black Jew Jackie Walker
Good - in fairness I'm still going on about it too!
'I don't think he acknowledges the role he played in undermining the left by actively participating in the weaponisation of antisemitism.'
Well, quite, he and so many others were Israel's useful idiots for that whole episode, endorsing the bad faith smear of antisemitism at a point when it should have been buried for good. I don't think it's going too far to say that the blood of Palestinians is at least partly on their hands. If the witch hunt had gone nowhere and Corbyn had faced down the accusations and not led the purge of the labour party of leftists and those who oppose apartheid Israel, then there might have been an actual parliamentary opposition to this genocide and a chance that UK Plc's collusion would have been challenged and perhaps even stopped altogether. Instead Palestine solidarity is verboten and all dissent has been banished to the margins. Jones played his part in that process, and I doubt he'll ever acknowledge it.
on June 12, 2024, 10:47 am