mmmmmmmmmLook Tim - i think its a mind set i've got - against this knot... My father taught me a knot which i only really have ever used - i have never seen this knot any where else - and it has never failed me - so i'm a little reluctant to fix what isn't broken. But in saying that i'm willing to try new things so i might test this weekend to build up a bit of confidence with the knot.