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Posted by elliot <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/surfcasting/info/user=elliot' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 29/7/2014, 6:46 pm

hope they get a sponser

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Posted by Phill <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/surfcasting/info/user=Phill' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 29/7/2014, 7:04 pm, in reply to "snapper bonanza"
Tackle Tactics

Very sad , hope they can convince their sponsors to get back behind them . I have asked for a list of sponcers contacts so as we can email and maybe pressure them into reconsidering .

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Posted by fishbait <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/surfcasting/info/user=fishbait' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/8/2014, 11:05 am, in reply to "Re: snapper bonanza"

Good on you Phill for being pro active in the hopes of getting something heading in the right direction,maybe some group like Hunting and Fishing with their 34 stores nation wide could all pool in for the $40,000 that's only just under $1,200 per store, I am sure at least most North Island stores would benefit way more than that on anglers stocking up before heading up North, I personally spend between $120 to $150 at my local store in making sure all of my gear is in top shape,and I know there is way more than 10 anglers from my area that head to the Snapper Bonanza each year. Just a thought if you are looking at putting a bit of pressure possible sponsors.

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Posted by Phill <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/surfcasting/info/user=Phill' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/8/2014, 1:01 pm, in reply to "Re: snapper bonanza"
Tackle Tactics

I spoke to someone I know that is involved with this comp.He is going to keep me informed over the next few weeks. He believes it will go ahead but it may have to change its format.Time will tell. If it doesn't go ahead it will have a far reaching impact though out the whole industry Tackle Tactics included.

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Posted by Hangler <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/surfcasting/info/user=Hangler' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/8/2014, 1:16 pm, in reply to "Re: snapper bonanza"

The possibility needs to be faced this competition may have grown too big, or at least in the prize giving department. The article reports quite clearly sponsors now require to see something tangible for their dollars, this is totally understandable.

The idea of a major sports chain becoming the sponsor is good but it must be considered that in some areas such money would be purely a gift, they would have no angler customers going to fish the comp.

I wonder if it's time to recognise that for most the far north is simply too far away, the whole concept of the Bonanza has become very expensive to even consider. The entry fee is realistic when compared to the prizes on offer, but add on the cost of gas, food, accommodation plus the cost of putting one's tackle into good shape and we are looking at a huge expense. Anyone who follows the news will know generally people are tightening their purse strings and their belts, money just isn't available like it was a few years ago.

I am not against the concept of a large competition but I would prefer to see it broken into perhaps five competitions spread around the entire country, including one in South Island. This would open up the tournament to a lot more competitors. Those who would be happy to fish for a day, possibly two, but not be held within the restraint of needing to fish for several days; plus a day travelling to get to the venue and another day to get home again.

Just supposing the NZACA were to be involved hands on, and work with five large clubs around the country to organise a truly national surfcasting competition. The prizes could be good without being excessive and the top anglers from each of the first four heats, as part of their prize package, would be invited to fish a grand final at the fifth heat. The top anglers in the fifth heat would already be in attendance.

Such a tournament would have many advantages: excellent advertising for the NZACA, great advertising for the home organising club. Each heat would attract their own sponsors without the huge money that is required at present. Surfcasting can gain excellent publicity in the regions and finally, New Zealand would end up with a recognised surfcasting champion, a boon for those in the trade who would hope to gain endorsements from the champion angler.

What I am suggesting is nothing new and I take no credit, it's simply the format that most sporting codes work with to gain advertising and a truly recognisable national champion.

The expression goes, 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it'. Well it's pretty obvious the Snapper Bonanza is broke but it doesn't necessarily have to be damaged beyond repair ... is it time for a little lateral thinking?

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Posted by GaryK <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/surfcasting/info/user=GaryK' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/8/2014, 5:29 pm, in reply to "Re: snapper bonanza"

Are you an NZACA member Hangler?

The snapper don't know where the car park is!
Sometimes it is better to travel than to arrive.

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Posted by Chad <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/surfcasting/info/user=Chad' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 1/8/2014, 7:32 pm, in reply to "Re: snapper bonanza"

Do the maths boys, $250 per ticket........ multiply by the amount of anglers.......... Add bar sales......

There is sufficient coin to run a very successful competition. It would be very interesting to see where all that money goes....

your talking well over $150.000, if you cant run the comp on that there is some serious issue. Just my thoughts.

The two most important aspects sound like the experience and the top prize. Surely if they didn't buy a $40.000 truck it wont kill the comp.

Wairoa
Hawkesbay

Take Nothing For Granted

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Chad, I searched several websites this evening, sadly, nowhere could I find any hint of the number of anglers who participated in the 2014 tournament. Don't get me wrong, I am not implying anything sinister, but if a competition is well supported, the organisers usually say so. Your observation regarding the $40,000 truck was the exact reason why I suggested the competition may have grown a little too big.

One thing I did find on the tournament's Facebook page, one guy, sorry I can't recall his name, was adamant the 2015 tournament will go ahead. He said quite openly they were just short on one sponsor for the naming rights, he had someone lined up and he was confident of success.

Gary, I have no idea what your question has to do with the concerns of this subject. The thread when started was the possibility a very popular surfcasting tournament may me forced to stop running. I am confused as to why membership of the NZACA has anything to do with it, would you care to explain?

However, for your benefit, yes I was a member for many years, this when secretary to the Pania club. However, I then got very disillusioned with the way the association worked with and for their members, as did many other clubs. As a lone angler with no interest in clubs or monthly competitions I can find no reason to be attracted to join them now ... but that is an entirely different matter. This website is to attract input from all anglers, not just club anglers or NZACA members.

For the last several years I am a fully paid up member of the NZACA: the New Zealand Alcohol Consumers Association, I was recently elected a life member. I do hope this helps.

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Posted by snappyboy <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/surfcasting/info/user=snappyboy' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 2/8/2014, 3:46 pm, in reply to "Re: snapper bonanza"

What this competition needs is support?

If you want to know how the money is spent or have suggestions on how to run this comp ( Based on YOUR experience running SIMILAR COMPS like the Bonanza.....I wish to inform you that - Telecom coverage as well as Vodafone works well up there. I personally know John and Dave. Give them a call and have a yak with them...THEN...formulate an appropriate response based ON FACTS..and then lets discuss it.

I would like to see this competition last for years to come, I have seen more younger fishermen attend and i wish to pass this onto my kids. Its a ONE OF A KIND COMP.

Good things come to those who bait.

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Posted by Chad <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/surfcasting/info/user=Chad' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 2/8/2014, 4:08 pm, in reply to "Re: snapper bonanza"

Snappy boy, it is all over social media which they have been apart of, and actively looking for solutions.

If you read my post its constructive, highlighting the two major aspects of this comp, and offering my thoughts on saving $40.000 dollars without impacting the outcome of attendance.

I don't need to call them to make that opinion, they have asked for it over several sites.

Support is shown in many different ways, this is one of them. Your passionate about it which is great, but this is not a personal attack on someone you know or an ill informed post.

It appears one of the first choice options is shifting it to a 3 day contest. Looking at making it easier for some to attend. Hope they keep it the same.

Wairoa
Hawkesbay

Take Nothing For Granted

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Posted by fishbait <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/surfcasting/info/user=fishbait' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 4/8/2014, 10:58 am, in reply to "Re: snapper bonanza"

I don't know how many times you have entered this contest Chad, but if you have fished a few you would come to feel that this is your contest, which in a way it is. Several years ago the organisers of this contest gave all participants a questionnaire to fill out to see how the Contest could be best formatted and what we have now, is more or less what the participants came up with back then. That's what probably prompted snappyboy's reaction to your 1/8/14 post as he probably had some input into this contest like the rest of us.

As far as the money goes it is not cheap to run a contest nowadays, I have organised and run a number of contests at a club level, a 7am to 3pm one day contest so I know the costs of doing that, extend those costs into a 4/5 day contest and you are up for some serious coin. On top of that, this contest is a commercial venture, so you don't have a pool of club people to volunteer, just about everyone has to be paid something. The cash prize money of almost $70,000 that is paid out,(probably one of the best return rates of any surf fishing contest in New Zealand)and of course the organisers will want to make a profit, I understand that it takes nearly 40 weeks of the year to organise and run this contest and for those weeks put in I would certainly want something out of it. So Chad, I would say that is where the vast majority of the money goes.

Surely if they didn't buy a $40,000 truck it won't kill the comp, you are probably right Chad, but it would probably do some serious harm in lost ticket sales I believe, I have travelled to this comp for 14 years,and each year there is a thought in the back of my mind, that I could leave this contest with the keys to a new vehicle(and I don't even have to catch one fish to be in to win it).
For what it costs me to go to the contest would I still go if that lure was taken away,at the time of writing this, I am not sure, would those contestants who come from Australia, England, South Africa who set a holiday time in New Zealand to coincide with this contest would they still enter who knows. I am sure there are a number of people who have entered this contest with not a lot of intention of actually going fishing but in the hope of getting called up on the stage for the vehicle draw, you can spot them in the crowd.
You lose 80 to 100 tickets this way, it is going to have an impact on other facets of the contest.
But in any event all going well and the contest is on in 2015 without too many changes, it would be great to see you on stage next to snappyboy and me holding some good snapper

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Posted by Chad <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/surfcasting/info/user=Chad' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 4/8/2014, 12:41 pm, in reply to "Re: snapper bonanza"

Fishbait
"You lose 80 to 100 tickets this way, it is going to have an impact on other facets of the contest".

Thats losing $20.000-$25.000 in ticket sales and saving $20.000 out of $40.000, which in that case would still be worth ditching the truck.

Another option could be a $10.000 quad. Down scaling to still have a substantial prize as a spot prize, but something more affordable.

Wairoa
Hawkesbay

Take Nothing For Granted

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Posted by snappyboy <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/surfcasting/info/user=snappyboy' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 4/8/2014, 7:04 pm, in reply to "snapper bonanza"

Well said FIshbait...I am sure the organisers are thinking of every option to save this comp, coupled with those offered by many concerned fisho,s who would attend the comp without the lure of winning a ute.

Chad, I understand your comments about the truck but was taken aback about how the money is being spent comment( do the maths) . I hear what u are saying but also have seen such comments do more harm than good. I will as previously stated attend this comp for the sheer love of the comp and fishing the 90mile.

Like other fisherman, once I fished the comp for the first time, I was hooked. This is the highlight in my fishing calendar every year and preparations start as early as this coming month.

Hope to see you up there Chad in 2015

Good things come to those who bait.

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Posted by GaryK <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/surfcasting/info/user=GaryK' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 4/8/2014, 8:10 pm, in reply to "Re: snapper bonanza"

Snappy, you taking Panser up to spot for you?

The snapper don't know where the car park is!
Sometimes it is better to travel than to arrive.

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Posted by James HB <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/surfcasting/info/user=James+HB' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 4/8/2014, 8:21 pm, in reply to "Re: snapper bonanza"

Hangler the reason people go to this comp is that it gives them an excuse to fish the far north. I went for the first time this year and absolutely loved it. People who fish this comp go back every year because of the comp and where it is!! Geez any reason to fish the far north that the wife will buy is good enough for me. I started saving straight after this years so Im set for next year. The pak n save up there should be the main sponsor as the amount of money spent there by contestants would far surpass the sponsorship expenditure. The bonanza ain't broke at all.

And if you want 5 heats and a final go carp fishing in Britain, make sure the drawing straws for your stand is all above board and that your corn and maggots are fresh.
If you whittle it down like that,no-one would come,no one would stay till the final prizegiving apart from the handful who could actually win anything.
You say that its too expensive to head to the far north for one comp then suggest having 5 scattered around the country. Doesn't make sense. Would you infact get the best anglers there? Its flawed as the top anglers from clubs or/ competitions might not be the best anglers in their club. Some outstanding anglers cannot attend every comp due to work and other commitments.
It has been brought up before at NZACA level by people that had been in positions for a while who never tried it when they were in. They didn't even realize that they wouldn't be able to compete!!

No excuses, just get out there!!

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Posted by Panser <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/surfcasting/info/user=Panser' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 4/8/2014, 8:59 pm, in reply to "Re: snapper bonanza"

Oi GK I'm no ones spotter/ghielie

I supply the chicken Snappy uses for bait

This is to me and a lot of fellow fisherman the highlight of my fishing year, The Naki has good fish but the far North has a certain magic to it. And its not just the 90mile but also the day's you can go fish on the east coast. Those five days go by in a blur but its the best blur of the year.
I was hooked after the first year, yea its bloody expensive but you only live once,
This isn't the pinnacle of our sport and there is a certain amount (skilled) luck involved but you feel that you achieved something if you have measured yourself against the "big guns"
I am one of the many that hope this contest is around for many years to come.
My 5cents: Standing on the sideline and just slinging mud doesnt help anyone. Become part of the solution not part of the problem.
Spring is on its way. Tight lines all my fellow fisho's

Born to fish. Forced to work.

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Posted by GaryK <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/surfcasting/info/user=GaryK' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 4/8/2014, 9:36 pm, in reply to "Re: snapper bonanza"

Make sure snappy remembers his photo this time.

The snapper don't know where the car park is!
Sometimes it is better to travel than to arrive.

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Don't need the photo Gary...

. Just waiting to get up there to give it a bash again. Hope the numbers increase this year. CANT WAIT....bring on 2015... Ps ...don't forget ur photo for the snapper 1000, do u need Panser to bring u some bait?????

Good things come to those who bait.

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Posted by Phill <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/surfcasting/info/user=Phill' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 4/8/2014, 10:15 pm, in reply to "Re: snapper bonanza"
Tackle Tactics

The point that's being missed is that the sponsors have pulled out, choosing to put there money into what they believe to be more suited or applicable to there communities needs . They want to see more bang for their buck as all sponsors do. Maybe the locals don't appreciate what a big deal this competition is to a lot of fisho's from all over NZ. And it's the promoters job to project that to them , make them think that they are the centre of the universe.
Saving $15000 on the truck would be a piece of cake with the alternatives that are currently available .
I certainly don't enter comps just for the prizes but it's part of why we go to them , I personally enjoy the whole atmosphere and the challenge of fishing the same piece of coastline as several hundred other fisho's.
Let's hope they get it together as they and the comp have been getting plenty of press.

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Posted by Chad <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/surfcasting/info/user=Chad' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 4/8/2014, 11:54 pm, in reply to "Re: snapper bonanza"

No snappyboy, I wont be going, im to soft. Ill leave it for the real fisherman.

(Do the maths)
Harmful or not, those are my genuine thoughts on the matter.

Wairoa
Hawkesbay

Take Nothing For Granted

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Posted by Hangler <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/surfcasting/info/user=Hangler' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/8/2014, 10:49 am, in reply to "Re: snapper bonanza"

With the wonderful, heart warming comments regarding this tournament, plus the popularity among supporters worldwide, surely the answer to the financial problem is really quite simple.

With the overall cost: entry fees, accommodation, travel expenses (air fares) plus the cost of bait, tackle and liquid refreshments running into many hundreds of dollars per angler (which nobody complains about) why not simply increase the entry fee by an extra $50.00 a rod?

Such a small rise would only represent a fraction of the overall cost to participate. Doing the maths (as already suggested) 1000 rods at an extra $50.00 a rod equates to a handsome, extra, $50,000. Problem solved. Who would complain at an extra $10.00 a day? This is a very manageable cost increase to keep what is New Zealand's premier surfcasting competition not only alive but thriving.

Such a small, easily manageable increase in total expenditure is well within the inflation rate, I am sure such a method to preserve the tournament would be roundly applauded by the participants.

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Posted by GaryK <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/surfcasting/info/user=GaryK' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on 5/8/2014, 7:11 pm, in reply to "Re: snapper bonanza"

I know, I owe Panser 2 prawns = 1 more for interest.

No worries.

The snapper don't know where the car park is!
Sometimes it is better to travel than to arrive.

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