Re: This Cabinet Minister said to me, "Fuwck knows... Archived Message
Posted by Thomas Newfield on March 30, 2019, 9:24 pm, in reply to "Re: This Cabinet Minister said to me, "Fuwck knows..."
You and your confreres DJ seem to think, or feel (more like it), that scepticisim and opposition to EU sovereignty means being anti-European. But this is far from true. We will always be European whether we like it or not - it's a fact. The way forward for western Europe, a peninsula of Eurasia, is as confederation of aligned states, a bit like the Visegrad group but bigger, in recognition of their particular the more significant Eurasian union. This is not a pipe dream btw, this is where the wind is blowing - in the teeth of entrenched EU opposition. Your "nothing comes.. London" mantra is bit of a straw man or a straw in the wind. The salient points are historical, economic, social. On all counts: genocide, poverty, depopulation, acculturation forced or engineered, rule from London has not been a great deal for Scotland or Ireland. Of course that's not the whole story but at least that's a respectable and evidenced argument, not one I wish to pursue. Of course you're right about London being swapped for Brussels. Which cuts out the core of your argument. There's actually no great enthusiasm for Europe in Ireland; I suspect Scotland is similar - except as a route to further sovereignty / independence - which those silly Celts can't help wanting, tsk tsk, not very sober! But you're right they didn't choose to be ruled from Brussels. The Irish rejected Lisbon but were forced to un-reject it; the Irish have been royally ####ed since 2008 by the neolib. EU albeit they merrily raped their own country (in other ways) in the years preceding. As for "pooling sovereignty"... have you been on the German papers by any chance? Oh dear. As everyone knows EU economic policy is dictated by Germany (within strict bounds) though strategically it's all Atlantic. Only the Germans believe they are all good and wonderful, that the past is a closed book, I know, I'm German too! So there's no pooled sovereignty in fact, there's a new Reich, I don't think that's even that controversial. It's all very well you and your friends opposing Brexit as economic meltdown and key to Pandora's box. I sympathise with that. But it's a very short term and over-concentrated position because the analysis of what the EU (not Europe) really is, and where it's going, is weak.
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