Re: And that's VRA that are actually likely to materialise in the next year or so. Any prospects? NOM Archived Message
Posted by dereklane on October 14, 2019, 10:51 pm, in reply to "And that's VRA that are actually likely to materialise in the next year or so. Any prospects? NOM"
We need to train ourselves to stop believing in the magic of good kings and stop legitimising the process which supports the system that pretends it's all possible if only we believe in the good King. We need to be demonstrating clearly that they can have all the phoney elections they want, but that the only way those phoney elections end up meaning something is by the masses believing that they do. When the facade has fallen, we can begin again. It seems that folk here like the idea of the likes of freedom writers like Galleano, and steadfast, ethically strong journalists like pilger, but not whe the promise of an easy fix is in sight, even if that fix is pure fiction, and demonstrated thus by the actions rather than the sentiment. Keith's I told you so might come across as abrasive, but actions surely always did speak louder than words. He is pointing out you can have all the hope in the world, but if it's hope in yet another leader, the therapeutic fix needs to be applied by looking at the bloody actions! If anyone I knew had compromised their principles so repeatedly as corbyn has as leader, I'd have told them to take a long hard look in the mirror years ago, and I wouldn't any longer trust them with anything more important than minding my pint. It seems however that here the excuse appears to be he's playing politics. #### politics. That's the very thing that keeps the system strongly in place. And the system does not support the people, just in case we've all forgotten that too. It supports power, big business, money. If corbyn is playing the long game of politics then you can rest assured that every ethical red line will eventually be crossed. That is politics.
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- John Pilger/McDonnell/Campbell - Mary October 14, 2019, 9:48 am
- Re: John Pilger/McDonnell/Campbell - Tomski October 14, 2019, 2:57 pm
- That's me done with Labour. - scrabb October 14, 2019, 3:32 pm
- I told you so....nm - Keith-264 October 14, 2019, 3:42 pm
- Ok, if you don't vote Lab, if everyone does same, Tory govt wins. Interesting nm - Gio74 October 14, 2019, 4:26 pm
- An example of continuous Tory rule. - Gio74 October 14, 2019, 4:36 pm
- For those who vote, it's by far the best option - in England. (There will NEVER be a wholly flaw - Rhisiart Gwilym October 14, 2019, 5:08 pm
- Re: An example of continuous Tory rule. - Tomski October 14, 2019, 5:10 pm
- It's beeen like that since 1948 and much worse since 1967 - Keith-264 October 14, 2019, 7:04 pm
- My nephew has to suffer, for your moral purity? Wow. Nm - Gio74 October 14, 2019, 7:07 pm
- I wrote the opposite - Keith-264 October 14, 2019, 7:11 pm
- PIP assessment under current govt is punishing him. Labour policy would change that. Plus better NHS - Gio74 October 14, 2019, 7:25 pm
- Nephew says you are a dick, K. Young black man to suffer further for your puritanical fervour. Nm - Gio74 October 14, 2019, 7:33 pm
- You hope - Keith-264 October 14, 2019, 7:35 pm
- You are right. But the manifesto is qualitatively different to previous. Detail is life and death nm - Gio74 October 14, 2019, 7:37 pm
- Now that Corbyn is finished, loading the manifesto is to bury it with him....nm - Keith-264 October 14, 2019, 7:39 pm
- He will be if everyone is smashing him, his party, the left, the right. He's buggered alright nm - Gio74 October 14, 2019, 7:43 pm
- Re: Now that Corbyn is finished, loading the manifesto is to bury it with him....nm - walter October 14, 2019, 9:59 pm
- Nice site - Keith-264 October 15, 2019, 3:50 pm
- If you do vote the Tories (Officials) win. FPTP = fascism....nm - Keith-264 October 14, 2019, 6:59 pm
- I'm not......yet. - johnlilburne October 14, 2019, 5:11 pm
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