Thanks for that Neil much appreciated I have been tossing up about a few reels lately and have even asked phil about what he could source brand new as I generally do not buy second hand but when you do see a second hand reel still with its manual, screwdriver tool, and box it kind of grabs your attention and the other half also suggested I go secondhand for now while I am learning to use one.If I do get it I might just take your advice and send it to phil to remove those level wind bits.