I have received an email from a NZACA executive member , I was told that the negative views held by some on this board are not productive. I was also told there is a lot going on behind the scenes , someone please open the curtains. I was also told the NZACA has a website ( which needs a lot of work) and a Facebook page . To the executive some of which read the forums the rest probably haven't a clue about the electronic media should not take the postings totally negatively . If we did not care we would not bother to comment at all .
Re: Personal Email
Posted by Yoey on 25/4/2013, 10:44 pm, in reply to "Personal Email"
yes Bud, you recieved an email from me, YOEY, I sent it to you personally only because your board wouldn't accept the size of my message. I wont hide but in saying that I am more than a little disappointed in your attitude on this. I am more than happy to forward my email or am happy for you to post it. I have nothing to hide. I have stepped up all arvo and like I said water off a ducks back. Feel free to post my email. I am confident it explains itself.
Re: Personal Email
Posted by Hangler on 25/4/2013, 10:49 pm, in reply to "Personal Email"
I would suggest that particular NZACA member should consider the following: did they do right in singling out and approaching one person, or should they have put a message on the board for all anglers to read?
The answer is reasonably straightforward: it's the lack of communication that is the prime concern. By not addressing this message board's entire readership, they have shown a classic example of exactly what is wrong with the NZACA, and what anglers are now complaining about.
Re: Personal Email
Posted by Phill on 25/4/2013, 11:03 pm, in reply to "Re: Personal Email" Tackle Tactics
Yoey mate , maybe water off a ducks back describes the way in which the executive make their decisions . All the posts should be read and the points noted to be discussed at your next meeting , not just written off as moaning cranks. You say you are disappointed with my attitude. I believe I have offered my opinion in all lights positive negative and somewhere in between. You know you have my support on most things and you know I will not bullshit you love it or hate it.
Re: Personal Email
Posted by Phill on 25/4/2013, 11:11 pm, in reply to "Re: Personal Email" Tackle Tactics
To be fair Hangler Yoey did try and post it but something would not work, he has told me that I can post it for him. Yoey I believe is a straight shooter and will say it as he sees it.
Too true, too true Phill. If you read my reply Hangler just above yours you would see I am not in any way hiding, it is not my way but I needed to convey my thoughts to Phill some way. Water off a ducks back is exactly how I treat vociferous diatribe that has no constructive merit. Mate as I said to you I have read each and every post on each and every site today and replied in kind. I have taken on board that which I consider worthy of merit. Boundaries, Nationals, the extension of the Competitor range and will take it to be discussed. I just cant get over this constant barrage of wasted flack accusing us, the NZACA, of doing nothing and not listening. If you think that you are so, so off track. I don't need to explain.
Re: Personal Email
Posted by Hangler on 26/4/2013, 10:00 am, in reply to "Re: Personal Email"
Yoey, if you look at the times the messages on this forum are showing, you will see we posted within five minutes of each other. Your post was not showing at the time I started writing, it was only noticed after I had pressed the 'post' button.
I have been highly critical of the NZACA with good reason, but please note in my posts I am also critical of elitist anglers who are always putting down certain parts of the recreational side of the fish quota for amateurs.
For some unfathomable reasoning fishing is a pastime that just can't get it's act together, was it ever thus. Fly fishers hate those who spin, boat fishers hate the gin palace that sails by them, surfcasters have no time for those who fish with kontikis. With all this in fighting, is it any wonder clubs and the NZACA seem to have a regular impasse?
I play golf, for my age I am a good player. It is a sport followed by huge numbers, by far the majority not only support their club but they are fiercely loyal to those who look after their interests. Not all are competition golfers, like anglers the vast majority play just for fun. However, the ruling body works for all, they put out regular information and act for everyone who carries a set of clubs.
There is critique on the board regarding the way Fishing magazines handle information sent them. Having spent many years writing for magazines I can assure you the editor's main concern is can he get advertising out of a story, can they get a sponsor for regular reports? This takes a far higher priority that the quality of the news copy. The association need to make their reports interesting, topical and newsworthy, then the magazine will find the sponsor. Quality writing is imperative, the article needs to be edited, spelling errors corrected plus punctuation and grammar improved, this to make an article readable and hold interest. Magazines no longer employ people for such work, believing the writer's PC spell check should be switched on and articles self appraised.
I believe the NZACA have one fundamental failing and it's not difficult to discover, although the cure may take some thinking outside the square. Take a drive along Napier seafront or any seafront come to that and count the vehicles parked up with the occupants fishing. Then ask the simple question, with are so many people enjoying the sport, why are they not involved or remotely interested in the local club or national body?
When you can attract the pleasure angler into joining the NZACA I would suggest you have cracked the biggest hurdle. The association will be so much stronger and clubs will really benefit. I also firmly believe, and I know this for a fact, many pleasure anglers view club fishing as elitist although this is not always the fault of the club. I have mentioned on another post it is imperative that senior anglers stop their constant gripes at others who enjoy 'just going fishing'. People who are happy to take home anything that will feed the family or even their cat. It's great to see regular pictures of an elite few holding up large snapper or a Kingfish, but these are the exception, in our area especially, they are certainly not the norm.
Many people cannot afford to spend a weekend fishing or the petrol to take them on a 150 klm round trip to catch their fish. They have family commitments and on occasions mum and the kids may accompany them on a fishing trip. The point I am trying to push is that there are anglers from all walks of life with other commitments, fishing isn't the be all and end all as is the impression given on these boards. I suggest it is the ordinary angler, by far the largest number of our fraternity, the NZACA is failing to take into consideration.
Until then I see nothing changing, unity is strength, division and separation is the catalyst for downfall.
Re: Personal Email
Posted by jaypeegee on 26/4/2013, 12:31 pm, in reply to "Re: Personal Email"
Yoey: Try breaking your post into seperate pieces to get around the board size restrictions.
Your post is appreciated and noted. I accept there are issues but let me make comment on some of yours. Firstly your point regarding the Golf Club. I am heavily involved in Rugby Refereeing. There is unity and we have a relatively solid group of happy campers so to speak. The difference between these two groups and the NZACA is the NZACA has a variety of groups under its wing and we need to be seen looking after them all. Secondly, I still say, you do not have any right to criticise it. You have no idea what is actually done and achieved by them in "Your" interest. By your, I mean as a fisherman. That's fact, it is clear to me by your comments. Thirdly, re the fishermen on the beach along Marine Parade to Awatoto, Napier. I am well aware of how many there are and I know how many use each and every sports shop in the local region. Mate I am doing my homework. I would like to have them all in the Pania Surfcasting Club. As a group there we now have 100 members. Back to the NZACA. I am, personally, asking you to get your head around the thought we are not aware of what needs doing and are doing nothing. Far from the truth. I would be pretty fair in assuming you have not been an active Member of a club for about ten years and never been a Member of the Parent body. I am no different than anyone who posts on here, no different. I know all the issues everyone is raising, I am no elitist, jeez I struggle to catch a fish, I just love doing it. What I saw and heard is exactly what I am hearing today so I decided that there is only one way to see if the perception is true. It's not!! There is a fantastic group of dedicated Men and Women working hard. We are well aware of all the issues raised and what needs to be achieved. Bud, to be honest there is no way we will attract all surfcasting buffs but we are in our own way raising the awareness of it and today alone I watched two people purchase Surfcasting sets. That is what it's about. Those Guys and Girls will be part of our kahawai Comp 2014. As much as I want them in the NZACA I am just happy they are out there and while they are, we will do everything we can to protect their right to do so. I think you know I will stand shoulder to shoulder with you on what is your right and in times of turmoil, I am just asking you to stop bagging something you have no indepth knowledge about and be honest you don't. Watch out for all those Pania fishermen this weekend it is mates weekend so there will be a few on the beaches near and far.
Cheers for the info Jaypeegee. I think there was more than that that was stopping it going through. Nothing malicious just one of those crazy things that happen.
Re: Personal Email
Posted by Phill on 26/4/2013, 6:08 pm, in reply to "Re: Personal Email" Tackle Tactics
Hangler and others, Yoey and I had a long talk today about the matters raised you ,me ,Chad and others . If Yoey can sustain his enthusiasm and commitment he has a good chance of moving the NZACA forward . So lets give him and others a chance , but will be watching.
Re: Personal Email
Posted by Phill on 26/4/2013, 6:34 pm, in reply to "Re: Personal Email" Tackle Tactics
Might have been that bottle of red wine as you can post 50000 characters Karen tells me.
Re: Personal Email
Posted by Hangler on 26/4/2013, 8:26 pm, in reply to "Re: Personal Email"
Yoey, I will be sending you a message using the in-house message system, it will contain comments probably that would be wiser if kept between you and I.
In your post above you have made one comment I feel justifies reply, one I happily place in the public domain.
Yoey wrote: Secondly, I still say, you do not have any right to criticise it. You have no idea what is actually done and achieved by them in "Your" interest. By your, I mean as a fisherman.
I suggest to you I have every right to criticise the workings of the NZACA, please consider this.
The NZACA is the body that is the mouthpiece for all anglers. When there are issues that need to be taken to the Minister of Fisheries, the NZACA should be 'The Angler's Voice'. However, and you must accept this as having considerable weight, many anglers have no faith in the ability of the association to act on our behalf.
That damning statement is not directed at the present administration, sadly the association has been found lacking for decades. There has been no concerted effort to promote knowledge of their work, they have been sadly conspicuous by their absents. I have mentioned on another thread, the first AGM I attended was thirty-eight years ago, not one item that was presented to the incoming committee was actioned, it continues in name only offering no solutions to attract members and promote their image.
That is not a direct critique of you or any other individual who is doing their best for anglers, it is a criticism at the failing of the association as a whole. In the course of the various threads it has become very obvious I am not alone in thinking that way.
In reply to the NZACA is the "Anglers voice" The NZACA was part of the recent Kahawai protocols. As of today we have submissions to the MPI regarding: The Long and Short finned Eel fishing Regulations Access to the 5d Paua Fishery The use of UBA in the Shellfish fishery and The Rec harvest Regulations for the Maketu Taiapari. We were represented by our President, who left our Dinner in Rotorua to drive to Napier to discuss the state of the fishery in Hawkes Bay with some of the most powerful members of the fishing Industry and the MPI. We have taken time to sit and talk with other fishing entities ie. the Sports Fishing Council, to align ourselves with other Associations to further increase the power of our voice. The other point is the fact that we do this along with some of the most powerful entities in this drive to protect the fishery. Also our voice, as a group, is recognised by the highest Courts in this country. We have done this and so, so much more while some continue to point the finger. Mate,as a representitive group of the fisher we are more than doing our job. All but our Secetary are volunteers but we are working bloody hard for each and everyone who wants the right to go and catch a fish. Some have given hours and hours of their time for the cause. As for your other comments. Thirty eight years ago, really. Your last comment validates my point, sorry Bud, but you have no idea what we are now involved in and are doing. The changes in the last two years, since our forum in Rotorua, attended by all but six of the member clubs have been huge, sorry you cant or dont want to see that.
Re: Personal Email
Posted by Hangler on 26/4/2013, 11:16 pm, in reply to "Re: Personal Email"
Yoey wrote: but you have no idea what we are now involved in and are doing.
I agree with you completely, no I don't know, and nor do others. It is very obvious from all comments on various threads it is this lack of communication that is the problem.
Yoey, just read the verbal altercation on the 'Middle Ground' thread. This is two people at odds because nobody knows what is going on. By the looks of things, the casting coordinator for the NZACA, Jock, also knows nothing about what is going on, someone has made a decision about his office without telling him.
Hangler you are wrong in saying what you have just said about me.No one has made a decision without telling me FULLSTOP.It would be nice if we all could stick with the facts or if anyone wants the facts contact me-Jock Bielski NZACA CASTING CO-ORDINATOR 063284830.
Re: Personal Email
Posted by Hangler on 27/4/2013, 9:39 am, in reply to "Re: Personal Email"
Jock, I took the following posting as being fact, I apologise unreservedly should it be fictitious.
Jock wrote: At no stage has this formula been discussed with the NZACA CASTING CO-ORDINATOR so at this stage ignore it.
Re: Personal Email
Posted by Neville Haglund on 10/5/2013, 2:06 pm, in reply to "Re: Personal Email"
Neville, If you join a local affiliated club (Pania in Napier Hastings) then you will become a member of the NZACA. Following is my opinion for what it is worth.....
The NZACA is about to regroup, reform, rejuvenate and start to gain some ground. In our club alone Yoey has increased the membership by 1/3. Other clubs can do the same. New ideas, new people and a new outlook will make this happen. Listen, criticise, add your thoughts it all helps.The snapper don't know where the car park is! Sometimes it is better to travel than to arrive.
on 25/4/2013, 10:18 pm
