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Renault Scenic 1.6 2004 Auto - Stalling, codes P0303, P0335, P0300, P0010 - Fixed #

Posted by Pete Mutlow on April 14, 2012, 8:11 pm

Year of Manufacture *: 2004
Engine Size and Code *: 1600cc
( Optional ) ECU Type: Sagem S3000
( Optional ) Scanner Used: ACR4 G2
( Optional) Fault Codes: PO303, PO335,PO300, PO010

Evening all,

I would like a pointer on this one please.
The vehicle suffered a flat battery about a week ago and since then after fitting a new battery, it has a stalling problem. The stalling only occurs on hot/cold start up when the engine runs for approx 8 secs then dies. It will start up again straight away and continue stalling after about the same amount of time. To overcome this, if the engine is held at fast idle for the 8 secs, then drop to idle, then it will not stall. Vehicle drives fine, and all checks including emissions are perfect.

Two questions: On EOBD check, it came up with 2 fault codes. PO300- misfire, PO303 - misfire no 3 cylinder. These have cleared down. Using the Sagem protocol, it comes up with addition codes which are: PO335- Engine speed sensor, PO010- Camshaft sensor. These 4 codes will not clear down on the Sagem protocol. So, perhaps they need to be cleared down KOEO. This is the key card system, and although I know how to get the manual gearbox systems into KOEO, I do not know how to do this with automatics. It may be the fault codes are a red herring and the fault has been caused by changing the battery and perhaps there is a way of re-adapting/resetting the ECU.

I have driven the vehicle for about 25 mins to see if there is a re-learning process and cleaned out the throttle body. I have also changed no 3 plug and swopped no 3 ignition coil with No 4. Any further guidance would be appreciated.

Regards

Pete M

Re: Renault Scenic AUTO - stalling

Posted by Dean Gammon <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/ukautotalk4/info/user=ukat3365' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 14, 2012, 8:32 pm, in reply to "Renault Scenic AUTO - stalling"

Has this one had the crank sensor and wiring changed for the modified part?

Cheers

Dean

Re: Renault Scenic AUTO - stalling

Posted by Pete Mutlow <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/ukautotalk4/info/user=UKAT1569' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 14, 2012, 11:51 pm, in reply to "Re: Renault Scenic AUTO - stalling"
Peter Mutlow

Hi Dean,

Thanks for that. Dont think it has but will check with the customer. Still wondering if disconnecting the battery is a coincidence. As far as code reading is concerned with ignition on, I normally press the start button for 10 secs without pressing the brake pedal. The other methods are stalling it in gear, or try to start it in gear. Perhaps there is a different method for autos?

Regards

Pete m

Re: Renault Scenic AUTO - stalling

Posted by Kevin Apps <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/ukautotalk4/info/user=UKAT2589' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 14, 2012, 11:53 pm, in reply to "Renault Scenic AUTO - stalling"
Kevin Apps

Pete.

Engine code would help.

PO010- Camshaft sensor. ?

Kev.

Re: Renault Scenic AUTO - stalling

Posted by Liam Boyle <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/ukautotalk4/info/user=UKAT5195' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 15, 2012, 5:40 pm, in reply to "Re: Renault Scenic AUTO - stalling"
Liam Boyle

A quick way of getting ignition on with the auto models is to press brake pedal and release again immediately as the stop/start button is pressed. This releases steering lock and puts ignition on but will not crank. Any codes in other systems? Anything in the transmission?

Liam

Re: Renault Scenic AUTO - stalling

Posted by Liam Boyle <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/ukautotalk4/info/user=UKAT5195' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 15, 2012, 5:56 pm, in reply to "Re: Renault Scenic AUTO - stalling"
Liam Boyle

Another thing I would say is that any of the Renault models that my customers have bought have been advised by myself to have the crank sensor and wiring replaced even if there is no problem at present. I have carried out this work on at least 30 odd Renault models. Also bad engine earths and body earths can causes strange problems. Most crank sensor failures I have seen on these are when the engine is hot but have had a couple that fail from cold. Also check for fretting on the connector terminals as I had a Vivaro last week with the Renault 1.9DCi cutting out and that was the fault. You could see where the connecting points of the terminals had worn away. Don't bother with any of the aftermarket crank sensors that will probably plug into your existing wiring as you'll never know where you are then. Ideally you would like to catch this failing on a scope to prove the failed component but I'd be inclined to recommend having the crank sensor and wiring mod done even if it's not the problem at the moment. Is this the 1.6 engine with the dephaser pulley problems?

Liam

Re: Renault Scenic AUTO - stalling

Posted by george ambelas <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/ukautotalk4/info/user=ukat3245' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 15, 2012, 6:25 pm, in reply to "Re: Renault Scenic AUTO - stalling"
George Ambelas

hi how is the modified crank sensor and wiring
recognised? i have a customer with an intermitent
non start and with no fault codes

Re: Renault Scenic AUTO - stalling

Posted by Alan Lange <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/ukautotalk4/info/user=ukat3293' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 15, 2012, 6:49 pm, in reply to "Re: Renault Scenic AUTO - stalling"
Alan Lange

Hello Pete, I have cranked them with the coils disconnected to get the ignition on, but apparently if you unlock doors, open drivers door, (keep it open) put in card & press start for 15 secs (foot not on brake) ignition should come on. I've not tried this method yet- might work.

Re: Renault Scenic AUTO - stalling

Posted by Kevin Apps <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/ukautotalk4/info/user=UKAT2589' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 16, 2012, 11:41 am, in reply to "Re: Renault Scenic AUTO - stalling"
Kevin Apps

Hi Liam

"Is this the 1.6 engine with the dephaser pulley problems?"

I agree, thats why i asked for the engine code.

Kev.

Re: Renault Scenic 1.6 2004 Auto - Stalling, codes P0303, P0335, P0300, P0010 #

Posted by Peter Mutlow <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/ukautotalk4/info/user=UKAT1569' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 18, 2012, 11:01 pm, in reply to "Renault Scenic 1.6 2004 Auto - Stalling, codes P0303, P0335, P0300, P0010 #"
Peter Mutlow

Thank you all for your responses. Customer cannot find engine code to verify dephaser pulley problem. Looking at AD for this vehicle, it show 4 engine codes and under-bonnet layout has no mention of this set-up. However, trawling through the archives indicates that this could be the problem considering the symptoms. I would also be interested to know how easy it is (or otherwise) to carry out the crank sensor and wiring modifications. Finally, this vehicle suffered another flat battery yesterday. Something is going on there. Expect to revisit on Sunday.

Regards

Pete M

Re: Renault Scenic 1.6 2004 Auto - Stalling, codes P0303, P0335, P0300, P0010 #

Posted by Kevin Apps <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/ukautotalk4/info/user=UKAT2589' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 19, 2012, 12:25 am, in reply to "Re: Renault Scenic 1.6 2004 Auto - Stalling, codes P0303, P0335, P0300, P0010 #"
Kevin Apps

Peter.

"Customer cannot find engine code to verify dephaser pulley problem."

Surely finding the engine code is your job.
Esay to find on any type of look-up.

Kev.

Re: Renault Scenic 1.6 2004 Auto - Stalling, codes P0303, P0335, P0300, P0010 #

Posted by Peter Mutlow <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/ukautotalk4/info/user=UKAT1569' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 19, 2012, 5:34 pm, in reply to "Re: Renault Scenic 1.6 2004 Auto - Stalling, codes P0303, P0335, P0300, P0010 #"
Peter Mutlow

Kevin,

I am happy to receive constructive criticism but I get thoroughly p....d off when people try to tell me how to do my job. As you are probably aware, I am a mobile operator and this customer lives 25 miles away from me over a tolled bridge. His car is not available until the weekends and therefore it is neither cost effective nor practical to find out the engine code before my next visit. I know EXACTLY where the engine code is on the vehicle and I would not ask him to go hunting for it. I merely asked him to check his vehicle documents to see if it was there.

I see nothing wrong in asking the customer a question in order to answer queries posed by the more helpful members on the forum.

Finally, I would be grateful if you find you cannot respond in a more positive manner to anything I post, then you keep your comments to your self.

P. Mutlow

Re: Renault Scenic 1.6 2004 Auto - Stalling, codes P0303, P0335, P0300, P0010 #

Posted by Pete Mutlow <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/ukautotalk4/info/user=UKAT1569' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 20, 2012, 10:17 am, in reply to "Re: Renault Scenic 1.6 2004 Auto - Stalling, codes P0303, P0335, P0300, P0010 #"
Peter Mutlow

Morning all,

I have just received a very helpful response from a UKAT member who tells me the engine code is K4M761 which means it is the model with potential dephaser pulley problems. I have since been advised by the customer that although the battery is now fully charged, the vehicle is still a non-start. On pressing the start button, the wipers operated in the "off" position, solenoids could be heard clicking but no cranking.

Will be revisiting over the weekend and check the earths etc as suggested by Liam.

Regards

Pete M

Re: Renault Scenic 1.6 2004 Auto - Stalling, codes P0303, P0335, P0300, P0010 #

Posted by Kevin Apps <iframe src='https://members5.boardhost.com/ukautotalk4/info/user=UKAT2589' width='330' height='300' border=0 style='border:none;'> on April 20, 2012, 2:23 pm, in reply to "Re: Renault Scenic 1.6 2004 Auto - Stalling, codes P0303, P0335, P0300, P0010 #"
Kevin Apps

Peter.

Any look up system (Kis, Alleycat, or even auto-vista) would show the engine code from the reg.no.

If for some reason i,m not near a look-up system, a quick call to a friendly factor will allow me to obtain the code i need.

Kev.

Fixed #

Posted by Pete Mutlow on April 24, 2012, 5:59 pm, in reply to "Re: Renault Scenic 1.6 2004 Auto - Stalling, codes P0303, P0335, P0300, P0010 #"
Message modified by board administrator April 25, 2012, 7:38 am

Hi All,

A modified Crank Position Sensor plus wiring has sorted the stalling out. No idea why the battery went flat, but all is well at the moment.

Thank you ALL for your interest and help.

Regards

Pete M

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